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Emmery Myers

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Fedor Emelianenko is going to sign with the UFC; no other promotion was ever even an option. » Last Word On Sports


In mid July the mixed martial arts world, still smoldering from the now legendary UFC 189, was set ablaze once again with the news that “The Last Emperor” Fedor Emelianenko, the stone-faced killer of yore, was negotiating with multiple promotions in anticipation of his return. Almost immediately fan speculation shifted to Bellator.

In recent months MMA’s necromancer, Scott Coker, has made his focus resurrecting fights and fighters from one ortwo or even three eras ago, making Fedor feel like a natural fit. What’s more, The Double Fisted Icecream Cone-faced killer had recently been spotted at the prestigious, if not imperial, Dave and Buster’s, representing B-MMA as a “Brand Ambassador”. For many fans, this felt like an open and shut case – except it isn’t.

This comeback is, and always was, about only one thing; fighting in the UFC.

Ignoring specific statements made by Emelianenko for a moment (we will get to those) lets take a look at the MMA landscape in 2015. While under the Coker era, Bellator has continued to promote heavyweight fights in 2015 featuring fighters such as Justin Wren, Raphael Butler and Tony Johnson; however, it could be argued the #2 MMA organization have staged only one engaging and high level HW fight this entire year – Cheick Kongo vs Alexander Volkov – with the failed showcases for the ever gassed Bobby Lashley and Kimbo Slice oddities not withstanding. However, before B-MMA lures the best Russian HW champion-turned-politician of all time into the Bellator cage, they have to prove they can convince their current Russian champion to fight.

Scott Coker has essentially put the HW division in cryostasis. They have yet to strip Vitaly Minakov of his title, despite him not having fought in over a year, while also letting top prospect Blagoi Ivanov walk to WSOF. With Bellator focusing more on their deeper divisions, signing Emelianenko means Bellator would have to significantly change their strategy and begin aggressively marketing whatever fighters they can lure away from the UFC’s table, or attempt to raise more retired names from the dead. As powerful a sorcerer as Coker is, there are limits to his power.

There wouldn’t be many fights for Fedor that would generate big interest, even if the division was still intact, unless he is thrown in with a Kimbo, King Mo or Tito, which would require abandoning the strategies laid in place for them as well. Fedor is asking for “the strongest fighters possible” and if they still had Minakov, who is an undefeated killer and would make serious waves in the UFC, or Ivanov (the first man to beat Fedor – sorry Fabricio Werdum) Bellator could make a reasonable case that Fedor is fighting some of the best HW’s out there, but those fights wouldn’t be big sellers to the broad audience familiar only with the name and mystique of Fedor. On the other hand, fighters like Lashley, Tito, Kimbo et al would have name value, but fall well short of being “the strongest fighters”.

The best fights for him are in the UFC. So are the biggest.

It is no coincidence Fedor has decided to return a month after Werdum won the title in Mexico City. He wants that rematch, and I believe he wants to secure his legacy. A legacy, which like it or not, is missing a tenure in the UFC, and it’s heavyweight championship. Now is the best time to strike. With Cain no longer looking invincible, and resurgent rivals like Crocop, Hunt, AA, Bigfoot and Mir waiting for him, looking at the roster of 35-40 year old lazarus HWs resurrected from losing streaks, suddenly the 38 year old Emelianenko (who went out on a win streak btw) doesn’t seem so washed up or out of place amongst said company.

Another factor to consider is the current climate of Bellator in relation to Russian fighters. Two years ago Bellator was overflowing with excellent Russian fighters across many weight classes, but 2015 feels like 1989 before the collapse of the wall. The cozy relationship with Eastern Bloc fighters the promotion enjoyed under Rebney has all but turned Siberian and frozen over. The Coker administration sees the promotion dropping Russians faster than an 80s action movie. Does this trend extend to Fedor? Probably not, considering the past relationship with Coker and that “ambassador deal”(here is money to come to our show, play video games and smile for the camera), but it can’t help either. Bellator has lost its place as the go to spot for Russia’s best.

But all of this talk ignores the real issue at hand. Bellator cannot afford Fedor Emelianenko. I mean…they can in a sense.



They can afford to pay for a trip to Dave and Buster’s anyway, but not to fight inside their cage. Not even close. And this cannot be stressed enough – Viacom doesn’t matter. There is no chance Fedor’s asking price (likely in the millions per fight after points, bonuses, Reebok, etc.) could be monetized under the current Bellator model. Not with sponsor opportunities. Not with free tokens. Not with revamped reality shows. Nothing. Despite what many fans think, Viacom is not an endless source of Anderson Silva money for Bellator to bask in.

Bellator, or any brand owned by a conglomerate, has to be profitable. Fedor wouldn’t bring enough ratings against anyone – even a fight against Kimbo – to justify the kind of cash he would need. Fedor’s contract was paid for by Showtime during the Strikeforce era, but that was the Strikeforce era – when Fedor was still the true MMA heavyweight champion. He isn’t that and doesn’t carry the same value he did then. For Viacom, there is no return on investment. This isn’t speculation either. The UFC’s offer is significantly more lucrative for a reason. I also don’t believe it is a coincidence Fedor made this decision public right after UFC 189. That event made it abundantly clear big time paydays are out there for the right kind of European star. I have heard talk from trustworthy sources that the UFC internally believed Lesnar vs Fedor would top UFC 100 in buys, and while those kinds of numbers are no longer realistic, no matter who he is matched up against, interest will be huge, and PPV’s will sell.

The UFC is also aggressively expanding into Europe. They have a Polish champion and have signed many Eastern European fighters. They want to crack into the Russian market. Emelianenko is the key to doing this in the same way Cain is key in Mexico, Bisping in the UK, Anderson/Vitor in Brazil, GSP in Canada and McGregor in Ireland. This strategy is tried and true. The UFC needs local heroes and there are none more heroic than the stoic one.

As for the old obstacles? Those are long gone along with flip phones, dubstep, being cool, and your cable subscription – so 2009. The hard feelings seem to be a thing of the past. Now that Werdum is champion Dana has been talking the win over Fedor up. The “farce” business is gone. Co-Promotion? That is off the table. But even then, there is UFC fight pass for possible future distribution of M-1 events.

Financially, the only promotion that makes sense for Fedor is the UFC. And the UFC is the only promotion that Fedor makes sense for.
 

La Paix

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First of all I skimmed. Is the title that reads like fact merely a prediction?
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La Paix

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Ok I read it, good post with many vaild points. I just wonder Fedors true intentions. If he genuinely wants to test himself against the best right away then the UFC is the obvious choice. If this is his way to have some fun and collect a cheque while helping out his buddy Scott get Bellator to the next level then his decision is obvious.
 
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I will lose a lot of respect I had for Fedor if he signs with them.
UFC remains with the deepest talent pool.

I am happy with Coker's populist position, at least in public. I enjoy the idea of Bellator and OneFC helping each other move into asia. I like the variety show of Glory kicboxing in the midst of Bellator events.


Despite this, UFC has the best fighters. So money vs fame vs challenge. I will lose no respect if he goes to the UFC.
 

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Reebok could use Fedor to build them up in Russia.

The real question is....

How many Fedor fanboys are going to spend the 95 for the kit?
 
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Reebok could use Fedor to build them up in Russia.

The real question is....

How many Fedor fanboys are going to spend the 95 for the kit?

There's not a SINGLE chance reebok can undo the russian love of adidas track suits...






 

kneeblock

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Interesting points in the article, but I don't agree with the conclusions reached.

First off, Fedor's legacy is secure. Fans often get into a tizzy about legacies and it's popular messaging with sports agents when they're creating marketing packages but generally when a fighter comes out of retirement in their mid 30s, it's about money and nothing else.

Bearing in mind that a fighter may have debts to settle or want to build up their savings so they can be confident in their retirement plan, they usually figure out an optimal number. Once they get that number figured out, they find the path of least resistance to getting to that number.

So if Fedor could fight Kimbo and Lashley to get to that number, he will. If one mega-fight with a Werdum or Overeem gets him there, he'll do that. If a fight with Tito does it, he'll do that.

Fedor has spent most of his career being treated as a "special athlete." Analogues include Rickson or Mike Tyson. When you've had that status, it's rare that you go back into the shark tank to work your way up because there's not enough fire to make you feel you have anything to prove. It's far more sensible to just admit you've been there and done that and Fedor has always been very sensible.

If Fedor does go to the UFC, it will probably be a sad coda to his career. It would've meant a lot more 5 years or so ago. I do not want the same fate that befell Nogueira to happen to him.
 

Emmery Myers

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Winning the title you mean? HW is trash. Fedor belongs in the UFC. Bellator cannot afford him.

As for legacies, those are defined by other people. The UFC thing is a sticking point for many.
 

kneeblock

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Winning the title you mean? HW is trash. Fedor belongs in the UFC. Bellator cannot afford him.

As for legacies, those are defined by other people. The UFC thing is a sticking point for many.
For many, but not Fedor. He has seemed largely ambivalent about the whole thing for as long as his career has lasted.

You keep saying Bellator cannot afford him, but we don't know what Fedor's magic number is. Also, unlike the UFC, Bellator has shown a willingness to co-promote which means there are numerous revenue streams that can be tapped to put a couple Fedor fights together.

The reality is that most of the up front money that would need to be spent is marketing related and Viacom just has a larger market share to tap into on that front. What they can accomplish with house ads alone is equivalent to what the UFC spent pushing McGregor.

As far as the pay, it can be met if the fight(s) is/are ppv.

Let me ask you this: what kind of fights do you think Zuffa puts Fedor in if they meet his salary demands? They don't put him in with their champ on a short term contract. They put him through the mill. Do you think that goes well for a HW who was already declining in his early 30s and is now several years out of competition and approaching 40?

I like legacies. I'd have loved to see Fedor fight meaningful fights in the UFC. But considering his style and the layoff, he'll largely just be used to make a point while he gets a decent payday. In my view, no true fan should want that.

I don't really want to see him can crushing in Bellator either, but if he needs the money, I'd rather not see him get banged up too badly in the process.
 

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"Do you think that goes well for a HW who was already declining in his early 30s and is now several years out of competition and approaching 40? "

That describes almost every top ten ranked HW fighter they have already. HW is trash, not to put too fine a point on it. They'd put Fedor in with Mir, or Barnett, or AA, or Hunt, or Bigfoot. All of those fights are winnable with one right hand. There really is no mill at HW. Its all over the hill fighters returning from a decline. Even their best fighters, JDS and Cain, are generally seen as shadows of their peak five years ago.

Co-promotion is off the table for Fedor, but the idea the UFC doesn't copromote died with fight pass. What do you think the relationship with Invicta, Shooto and Titan is? Co-promotion.
 

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"Do you think that goes well for a HW who was already declining in his early 30s and is now several years out of competition and approaching 40? "

That describes almost every top ten ranked HW fighter they have already. HW is trash, not to put too fine a point on it. They'd put Fedor in with Mir, or Barnett, or AA, or Hunt, or Bigfoot. All of those fights are winnable with one right hand. There really is no mill at HW. Its all over the hill fighters returning from a decline. Even their best fighters, JDS and Cain, are generally seen as shadows of their peak five years ago.

Co-promotion is off the table for Fedor, but the idea the UFC doesn't copromote died with fight pass. What do you think the relationship with Invicta, Shooto and Titan is? Co-promotion.
None of the HWs you mentioned has been on a 3 year layoff. Age is one thing to overcome. Age plus a layoff when you were already on the downslope is trouble.

I will give you the point that most of the current names at HW are from Fedor's generation and that HW is a bit thin, but no thinner than it ever was, before, during or after his reign as king. In fact, the current UFC HW roster is arguably the best assemblage at HW in one org we've ever had in the history of MMA, but how much that is saying is somewhat up for debate.

Invicta, Shooto and Titan are not in true co-promotion relationships with the UFC. They just have a broadcast distribution deal which is very different. When I use that term, I'm referring to two or more promoters finding the cash to make a fight happen and splitting the revenue as is done in boxing routinely. I think people have developed a misunderstanding of the term in MMA due to Dana's propaganda over the fiasco that was Zuffa's negotiation with M-1.

In a Bellator/Glory card, for example, Coker and Viacom are not on the hook alone for raising all the cash. The greatest success the sport ever saw in this model was Pride/K1 Shockwave/Dynamite where Royce took on Yoshida among other great fights.
 

Emmery Myers

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Fight Pass is still a form of co-promotion and would fit in line with what M-1 was after minus the co-billed show, which is off the table. Fight Pass is perfect for what M-1 would want now, if they are even a factor.

The lay off might be a better thing for him, less wear, injuries healed etc.
 

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This man has lived an entirely different life than 99% of us here. Who knows what his real motives are? I mean he grew up in communist USSR. Different cultures as foreign as we are from him can't understand. Even his new found faith may play a factor. Know anything about Russian Orthox? Dana could be the devil to him and Vegas, hell. Who tf knows.

IMO he don't need a big payday. He might want to avenge losses but probably not. He might want to be truly tested, but maybe he just wants to compete with someone again.

Why does nobody think Japan can't be in the mix? They love him there. Has he ruled out a match there? They can throw him some circus style fight there. They love that shit.
 

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This man has lived an entirely different life than 99% of us here. Who knows what his real motives are? I mean he grew up in communist USSR. Different cultures as foreign as we are from him can't understand. Even his new found faith may play a factor. Know anything about Russian Orthox? Dana could be the devil to him and Vegas, hell. Who tf knows.

IMO he don't need a big payday. He might want to avenge losses but probably not. He might want to be truly tested, but maybe he just wants to compete with someone again.

Why does nobody think Japan can't be in the mix? They love him there. Has he ruled out a match there? They can throw him some circus style fight there. They love that shit.
I think Japan could be in the mix. That new org is supporting to be starting and apparently Wanderlei Silva will be fighting there. I'll be happy where ever Fedor ends up, it's just exciting to see him walking out again.
 

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Emmery Myers

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Indeed. I meant to put that in my article even. Bellator wants to part of PPV. And they shouldn't.
 

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"We haven't had any talks with Fedor and his people," said Coker, who promoted four fights with Emelianenko when he ran the Strikeforce promotion.

So that twitter post from the other day must have been wrong. The one where a guy claimed both the ufc and Bellator threw out a $ amount and the ufc's was higher. Which would make sense because how would some random MMA reporter know what Fedor was offered by two different companies?