The decline of submissions in MMA.

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Nemo?

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Dec 2, 2015
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I do, whatcha looking for? I'll start with this one, about percent of fights ending by submission by year for the past ten years.

2017 so far - 18%
2016 - 18.3%
2015 - 18.6%
2014 - 19.3%
2013 - 18.1%
2012 - 20.5%
2011 - 19%
2010 - 24.1%
2009 - 23.3%
2008 - 26.9%
2007 - 32.2%

So, there has been a dropoff, as far as proportion of wins by submissions, over the past ten years. If the pace stays the same, 2017 will have the fewest percent of fights ending by submission in UFC history (by a small margin, less than 2013).

There are many possible reasons, the most likely of which is that modern fighters train in all aspects of MMA more equally and thoroughly than ever. They drill submission defense, so they're not as likely to fall into the armbar traps, etc. I don't know these numbers so I'm speaking purely anecdotally, but it seems like almost every fighter on the roster is a full time fighter - they remarked last night that Ryan Janes has a full time job, which was unusual for fighters these days. Eaty, sleepy, trainy.
What about takedown defense
 

Ted Williams' head

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Sep 23, 2015
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Submission defence has gone through the roof in the last little while, just like take down defense and scrambles. It's just part of the evolution of the sport: people are training proper submission defence from the start.
 

Mishima Zaibatsu

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Feb 27, 2016
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I do, whatcha looking for? I'll start with this one, about percent of fights ending by submission by year for the past ten years.

2017 so far - 18%
2016 - 18.3%
2015 - 18.6%
2014 - 19.3%
2013 - 18.1%
2012 - 20.5%
2011 - 19%
2010 - 24.1%
2009 - 23.3%
2008 - 26.9%
2007 - 32.2%

So, there has been a dropoff, as far as proportion of wins by submissions, over the past ten years. If the pace stays the same, 2017 will have the fewest percent of fights ending by submission in UFC history (by a small margin, less than 2013).

There are many possible reasons, the most likely of which is that modern fighters train in all aspects of MMA more equally and thoroughly than ever. They drill submission defense, so they're not as likely to fall into the armbar traps, etc. I don't know these numbers so I'm speaking purely anecdotally, but it seems like almost every fighter on the roster is a full time fighter - they remarked last night that Ryan Janes has a full time job, which was unusual for fighters these days. Eaty, sleepy, trainy.
So not only has it been steadily declining from around 1/3 of fights ending via submission, but it's actually declined by 8 or more percentage points between 2007 and 2011 has been closer to 1/5-1/6 since the beginning of the decade, which is close to a 50% decrease.
 
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So not only has it been steadily declining from around 1/3 of fights ending via submission, but it's actually declined by 8 or more percentage points between 2007 and 2011 has been closer to 1/5-1/6 since the beginning of the decade, which is close to a 50% decrease.
Pretty darn significant if I do say so myself.
 

Brigsy

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Jan 21, 2015
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It was dope. I'm not so sure about the amount of P bombs being dropped like it ain't nothin.
 

CHiLLEN

All hail the Irishman
Feb 8, 2016
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I loved when he fought Nate and tried to point to the ref about greasing and nate just blasted him with a dropping hammer lol.
I forget that one. I will have to go on a marathon and watch his fights again. My personal favorite was when Alan Belcher fucked Palhares up in his own world.