Be honest: what would the MMA world be saying if Conor won a title from 11th ranked guy?

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ShakaSway

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We would all give it shit. Hell people gave Ferg shit for winning it off of Lee.

Khabib has the benefit of being undefeated, which makes it more legitimate to a degree. For example, when Cormier won the title off Johnson, it didn’t look good. He just lost to Jones. Now had Johnson won, who was going on a LHW tear at the time, undefeated at LHW, would make it seem a bit more prestigious.

Good point OP.
 

La Paix

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We would all give it shit. Hell people gave Ferg shit for winning it off of Lee.

Khabib has the benefit of being undefeated, which makes it more legitimate to a degree. For example, when Cormier won the title off Johnson, it didn’t look good. He just lost to Jones. Now had Johnson won, who was going on a LHW tear at the time, undefeated at LHW, would make it seem a bit more prestigious.

Good point OP.
I think the biggest difference s where these guys were ranked. When Jones got suspended AJ and DC were the clear top guys in the division, maybe Gus too but I cant recall if he was ready. Having one of them as new champ would be argued due Jon not losing but they weren't looking for guys like Pat Cummings.
 

ShakaSway

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I think the biggest difference s where these guys were ranked. When Jones got suspended AJ and DC were the clear top guys in the division, maybe Gus too but I cant recall if he was ready. Having one of them as new champ would be argued due Jon not losing but they weren't looking for guys like Pat Cummings.
Thats true. The circumstances of this one at LW was very odd, with Tony dropping out, then Max not being allowed to continue. Getting Pettis or Al wasn’t as appealing.

But having the undefeated fighter as the champ of a division that essentially hasn’t had a champ for over a year, is great for prestige reasons. Next fight should solidify it
 

La Paix

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Thats true. The circumstances of this one at LW was very odd, with Tony dropping out, then Max not being allowed to continue. Getting Pettis or Al wasn’t as appealing.

But having the undefeated fighter as the champ of a division that essentially hasn’t had a champ for over a year, is great for prestige reasons. Next fight should solidify it
Personally in not too hung up on it. I would prefer it if MMA would have all linear champs but the direction they've been going in for a while doesn't help at all. If and when Conor vs Khabib happens it'll be YUGE!

 

SensoriaUtopia

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In all fairness in he beat the FW GOAT and the reigning LW champ in spectacular fashion to get the real titles. If I'm going to be critical of who he beat to get the shot I gotta do the same for who he beat to get the title, that fight is far more important.

In Conor's own words the win over Aldo should not mean shit. Of course that is a huge win, but rememver when Conor was at FW, he was saying he was beating up a lot of midgets, and these guys are too small. He took a shit on his own big wins. This guy came into the ufc at the LW champ at cage warrriors, dropped to 145, said over and over again how all the 145 ers are midgets, if you beat a bunch of dwarfs, is that special?

Again, let me be clear, Aldo is one of the GOAT's and that is Conor's best win ever, my point is Conor himself spent his entire time at FW shitting on his own comp, bragging how he was beating smaller guys, once he stepped up to guys his own size, look at the difference.

THe guy has 3 fights against people his own size, has a brilliant win over Eddie, a horrible horrible loss against Nate Diaz and a 2nd fight that was the epitome of a draw.

He's basically 1-1-1 at fights above 145 and he could fight Nate another 20 times and you get the feeling he will never finish Nate.

If Conor beats guys like Khabib, Barboza, Ferg, I wll be the first to say this guy is super special, but he needs to do it he has not.

Just Saying
 

SensoriaUtopia

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I would question why you feel your post is of more value.

You started off with a personal attack, and then you stated something that is unequivocally false.

Is that what constitutes being a quality poster? Let me give it a try.

Sensoria and everyone who doesn't like Conor as much as me is an idiot!!

Conor knocked out Stipe and won the HW championship.

Am I a better poster now? :D

Because you literally have been on a crusade to shit on Khabib and glorify Conor since last week. How the fudge can you be so unaware of your own content.

Conor is a heck of a fighter, he needs to fucking earn it though. Do you not forget when Conor was at FW, he shit on his own comp, according to Conor he beat up a bunch of dwarfs, in his own words. I personally think his best win is Aldo, but Conor over and over has disparaged Aldo's ability.

Also, at the end of the day, as soon as Conor started fighting people his own size, in the 3 fights since he left 145, he has 1 brilliant win against Eddie, 1 horrible loss against Nate, and the 2nd fight with Nate was the epitome of a draw.

Be better than @conor mcgregor nut hugger , I know you are better than that guy in terms of posting. Sure the judges gave Conor a win, but if you are honest with yourself you will know that fight was really a draw.

Judges scored Hendo the victor in the first Shogun fight, true fans recognize that as a draw. Judges gave Lawler the win over Condit, 18 of 22 media scored it for Condit, if anything it was either a close Condit win or a draw.

You know full well MMA has the worst judges on earth, I mean for God's sake some moron judge gave Felice the win over Karolina last Saturday, I did not even think Felice even got close to winning a single round, maybe the 3rd, and a judge gave her the win.

To most honest observers the Conor is 1-1-1 at above 145 in the UFC< if he beats Khabib, Ferg, shoot even Barboza or Kevin Lee I will start saying how great he is, but he has not.

Let him earn it, all the other greats have.
 

Andrewsimar Palhardass

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Because you literally have been on a crusade to shit on Khabib and glorify Conor since last week. How the fudge can you be so unaware of your own content.

Conor is a heck of a fighter, he needs to fucking earn it though. Do you not forget when Conor was at FW, he shit on his own comp, according to Conor he beat up a bunch of dwarfs, in his own words. I personally think his best win is Aldo, but Conor over and over has disparaged Aldo's ability.

Also, at the end of the day, as soon as Conor started fighting people his own size, in the 3 fights since he left 145, he has 1 brilliant win against Eddie, 1 horrible loss against Nate, and the 2nd fight with Nate was the epitome of a draw.

Be better than @conor mcgregor nut hugger , I know you are better than that guy in terms of posting. Sure the judges gave Conor a win, but if you are honest with yourself you will know that fight was really a draw.

Judges scored Hendo the victor in the first Shogun fight, true fans recognize that as a draw. Judges gave Lawler the win over Condit, 18 of 22 media scored it for Condit, if anything it was either a close Condit win or a draw.

You know full well MMA has the worst judges on earth, I mean for God's sake some moron judge gave Felice the win over Karolina last Saturday, I did not even think Felice even got close to winning a single round, maybe the 3rd, and a judge gave her the win.

To most honest observers the Conor is 1-1-1 at above 145 in the UFC< if he beats Khabib, Ferg, shoot even Barboza or Kevin Lee I will start saying how great he is, but he has not.

Let him earn it, all the other greats have.
I think you might need a break from the internet for a few days, friend.
 

Yossarian

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I would question why you feel your post is of more value.

You started off with a personal attack, and then you stated something that is unequivocally false.

Is that what constitutes being a quality poster? Let me give it a try.

Sensoria and everyone who doesn't like Conor as much as me is an idiot!!

Conor knocked out Stipe and won the HW championship.

Am I a better poster now? :D
Even on ignore that guy gives me chuckles. Still at it. Comedy gold. That is exactly how he posts, well done. That's the influx of quality posters we've gained, just a bunch of hot air.
 

Yossarian

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I can understand the frustration over the FW and LW divisions being held up. What I can’t understand is the Conor hate. Did people not tune into/enjoy the Nate fights? Was it not cool to see the FW champ have a chance at the LW belt too? Was the Floyd buildup and fight not entertaining? If you were Conor, making that amount of money and having that much clout, would you have let other people dictate your decisions if you didn’t have to? The haters drive me crazy. This is one of the all-time great characters, who will be part of the MMA story forever. To top it off, he is entertaining inside and outside the cage. Why not enjoy the ride?
It's MMA history right under our nose. Every other post is about Conor, the guy just sells, period. I wish Bones had the charisma and mouth of Conor. Would be legendary.
 
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Even on ignore that guy gives me chuckles. Still at it. Comedy gold. That is exactly how he posts, well done. That's the influx of quality posters we've gained, just a bunch of hot air.
If you're not goading him into going on multi-paragraph shitrants, it's better just to put him on ignore and be done with it.

Then he can shitrant to himself all day.
 

Greek777

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People seem to forget Conor's resume and the names he's beaten (and how he's beaten them) far exceeds anything Khabib has accomplished
 

SensoriaUtopia

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Even on ignore that guy gives me chuckles. Still at it. Comedy gold. That is exactly how he posts, well done. That's the influx of quality posters we've gained, just a bunch of hot air.

LOL Yossarian @Yossarian is watching every post of mine. Dude puts me on ignore, then takes it off ignore and reads my post then back on ignore, so when he posts he is ignoring me, he thinks is tricking folks.

I see you, putting me on and off ignore many times a day, clown has said my name about 12 times in the last 3 days, you would think a person you have on ignore you would not even being mentioning their name, LOL.

His posts are also trollish and awful as of late, horrible poster.
 

SensoriaUtopia

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Khabib is not the champ of anything. I don't care for Conor, but Khabib having received that belt after fighting Iaquinta is an insult to Conor, Alvarez, Dos Anjos, Pettis, Ben Henderson, Frankie Edgar, BJ Penn, Sean Sherk, and Jens Pulver.

That's to say nothing of the other lineal overall MMA LW title holders. Khabib should be ashamed to walk around with that thing. Ferguson wasn't much better, but at least Lee was among the top 5 contenders. Everyone always talked about how the UFC sanctioning titles was better because the alternative was alphabet soup independent bodies, but the title is even more meaningless at this point.

You know I like you a great deal and always will have huge respect for you brother but there is just a lot wrong with this view.

You can only fight who they put in front of you. Conor won the belt and then disrespected every LW and fan in MMA by not defending it, while healthy. As much as he got by winning the title, you cannot hold a belt hostage. You are not worthy of being a champ if you take a belt and do not defend while healthy. Khabib was gonna fight Tony, a lot of people think it better than Conor. Once Tony got hurt, you cannot put that on Khabib, it's actually shocking to say he should be ashmed to hold the belt, fuck no. He should hold the belt has as fuck. Conor should be ashamed for shitting on the meaning of being a champion.

What do they all say? Winning it is huge, but it's defending the belt that is truly what makes a champion worthy. Conor lost all merit, all linear hot air, when he did that.

Khabib is the champ and should hold the belt high and his head higher