The definitive comparison of GSP and Fedor

[Ted Williams' head]

These are the two guys who never failed a drug test and dominated their divisions for many years. I think it's only fair to compare these two to determine the #1 GOAT. If I made a mistake in one of my comparisons feel free to correct me, it's late at night here.

When you look at the stats and the facts objectively, I think there's no real option but to acknowledge GSP as the #1 GOAT.


TITLES WON

Fedor - PRIDE Heavyweight Championship, WAMMA Heavyweight Championship, RINGS Openweight Championship

GSP - UFC Welterweight Championship (x2), UFC Middleweight Championship, UCC Welterweight Championship


TITLE DEFENCES

Fedor - 3 (Nogueira, Crocop, Mark Hunt)

GSP - 9 (Fitch, BJ Penn, Alves, Dan Hardy, Koscheck, Shields, Ondit, Nick Diaz, Johny Hendricks)


TIME AS CHAMPION

Fedor - 1663 days (Won the title 03/16/2003, Pride folds 10/04/2007)

GSP - 2064 days (Won the title 04/19/2008, vacated 12/13/2013), + 140 days of first title run


UFC CHAMPIONS BEATEN

Fedor - 5 (Coleman, Randleman, Sylvia, Arlovski, Mir), 1 interim champ (Nogueira)

GSP - 6 (Hughes, Sherk, BJ Penn, Matt Serra, Johny Hendricks, Michael Bisping), 1 interim champ (Condit)


UFC HALL OF FAMERS BEATEN

Fedor - 2 (Mark Coleman, Nogueira)

GSP - 3 (Matt Hughes, Matt Serra, BJ Penn)


LOSSES

Fedor - 5 (4 KO/TKO, 1 SUB), 1 avenged (Kosaka)

GSP - 2 (1 KO/TKO, 1 SUB), both losses avenged (Hughes x2, Serra)


FIGHTMETRIC STATS

*Note: FightMetric doesn't seem to have Fedor's last 4 fights logged in, which included the KO loss to Mitrione and war with Maldonado, so his stats may appear slightly better than what they actually are.

Fedor:

Significant Strikes landed per minute: 3.18
Significant Striking Accuracy: 51%
Significant Strike Defence: 63%
Takedown Accuracy: 63%
Takedown Defence: 82%


GSP:

Significant Strikes landed per minute: 3.78
Significant Striking Accuracy: 53%
Significant Strike Defence: 72%
Takedown Accuracy: 74%
Takedown Defence: 83%




So it seems like GSP has outdone Fedor in pretty much every way.

 

[RaginCajun]

Love them both but those numbers are misleading.

 

[Sheepdog]

These are the two guys who never failed a drug test and dominated their divisions for many years. I think it's only fair to compare these two to determine the #1 GOAT. If I made a mistake in one of my comparisons feel free to correct me, it's late at night here.

When you look at the stats and the facts objectively, I think there's no real option but to acknowledge GSP as the #1 GOAT.


TITLES WON

Fedor - PRIDE Heavyweight Championship, WAMMA Heavyweight Championship, RINGS Openweight Championship

GSP - UFC Welterweight Championship (x2), UFC Middleweight Championship, UCC Welterweight Championship


TITLE DEFENCES

Fedor - 3 (Nogueira, Crocop, Mark Hunt)

GSP - 9 (Fitch, BJ Penn, Alves, Dan Hardy, Koscheck, Shields, Ondit, Nick Diaz, Johny Hendricks)


TIME AS CHAMPION

Fedor - 1663 days (Won the title 03/16/2003, Pride folds 10/04/2007)

GSP - 2064 days (Won the title 04/19/2008, vacated 12/13/2013), + 140 days of first title run


UFC CHAMPIONS BEATEN

Fedor - 5 (Coleman, Randleman, Sylvia, Arlovski, Mir), 1 interim champ (Nogueira)

GSP - 6 (Hughes, Sherk, BJ Penn, Matt Serra, Johny Hendricks, Michael Bisping), 1 interim champ (Condit)


UFC HALL OF FAMERS BEATEN

Fedor - 2 (Mark Coleman, Nogueira)

GSP - 3 (Matt Hughes, Matt Serra, BJ Penn)


LOSSES

Fedor - 5 (4 KO/TKO, 1 SUB), 1 avenged (Kosaka)

GSP - 2 (1 KO/TKO, 1 SUB), both losses avenged (Hughes x2, Serra)


FIGHTMETRIC STATS

*Note: FightMetric doesn't seem to have Fedor's last 4 fights logged in, which included the KO loss to Mitrione and war with Maldonado, so his stats may appear slightly better than what they actually are.

Fedor:

Significant Strikes landed per minute: 3.18
Significant Striking Accuracy: 51%
Significant Strike Defence: 63%
Takedown Accuracy: 63%
Takedown Defence: 82%


GSP:

Significant Strikes landed per minute: 3.78
Significant Striking Accuracy: 53%
Significant Strike Defence: 72%
Takedown Accuracy: 74%
Takedown Defence: 83%




So it seems like GSP has outdone Fedor in pretty much every way.

Prime GSP beats prime Fedor in every way except being able to beat him in a fight.

 

[Blubba Jenkins]

The GOAT is not known to us yet.
It could be Stipe with more defenses...it could be DC if he beats Stipe & avenges Jones. It could be Mighty Duck if he beats Dillashaw & rematches/beats Cruz. Dillashaw & Hollaway have possible paths.
Most likely, tho, it's probably someone who's not on our radar yet.

I guess GSP is the placeholder GOAT for now.

 

[Disciplined Galt]

So, let them fight. Only a heavyweight can be goat.

 

[silentsinger]

I'm not being salty because of my new username, I promise.

Pride was something we can't really judge drug wise. Fuck this username, Robs : D

I don't think Fedor juiced, but I know boatloads of other (not naming) people obviously did during its era.

 

[tang]

Pride was something we can't really judge drug wise.

I don't think Fedor juiced, but I know boatloads of other (not naming) people obviously did during its era.

I know all the Pride Fighters get an asterisk next to their names but the ones who thrived should still be recognized because regardless of so and so was caught or not, competed against all the ones that did use and still came on top.

 

[Sheepdog]

I'm not being salty because of my new username, I promise.

Pride was something we can't really judge drug wise. Fuck this username, Robs : D

I don't think Fedor juiced, but I know boatloads of other (not naming) people obviously did during its era.

What's your actual argument here? That Fedor isn't the GOAT because he was probably using PEDs? And this very same argument wouldn't apply to GSP how exactly?

 

[silentsinger]

What's your actual argument here? That Fedor isn't the GOAT because he was probably using PEDs? And this very same argument wouldn't apply to GSP how exactly?

This is exactly what I didn't want to get into. Rumours have been afoot forever about everyone within Pride juicing. I honestly don't know enough about it back then.

Don't say I was "argumentative". There wasn't one.

 

[silentsinger]

Why did you bring gsp up?

 

[Dirty Harry Potter]

Fantasyland here in my head -as most of you know by now- but as long as the
mostly-pointless effort to find THE ONE GOAT is up, I might as well keep the
silliness silly. Complete fantasy , because it didn't happen, but it would've been
interesting IF Royce had only had to fight other ww's ?. How messed up is it by
modern standards that he had to fight guys 50-75 lbs. heavier? How WOULD
GSP do against Prime Fedor ?...or Dan Severn...or Kimo ? You know, if the whole
playing field were level , with everyone magically granted a bit more of a well-rounded
game, since that didn't exist in the early days? .

But back to the minor fantasy : who was more dominant, more scary , more
impressive in their wins (I don't arse myself with stats) ?

I vote Fedor

 

[Ted Williams' head]

Love them both but those numbers are misleading.

In what way though

 

[Hwoarang]

Fedor's a true fighter. He would take people on in their world. Mirko, one of the best strikers on the planet... Fedor fucked him up on the feet!
Nogeira one of the best guards of the time, fedor just punched the hell out of him through it.
By contrast, gsp was the strategic master of the decision. He would do the exact opposite to fedor and play to the opponents weakness and either jab and run or lay and pray for 5 rounds to get the (some times pretty lucky) decision.

 

[SCADA]

GSP has never been as sloppy as Fedor has in a fight. Fedor swings like it's his only chance to win a fight.

 

[La Paix]

. He would do the exact opposite to fedor and play to the opponents weakness and either jab and run or lay and pray for 5 rounds to get the (some times pretty lucky) decision.

GSP out wrestled Hughes, Fitch and Koscheck, outstruck Alves and Hardy, made Penn quit and so on. I fully agree he's a strategic master but he didn't completely rely on opponents weakness like you say.

The great thing about GSP was that everyone knew his strengths and how he'd try to use them but nobody could stop it. He's the very best at mixing it up and delivering lots of damage while taking very little. I think it's because of that he was still in great form coming back after a 3 year lay off.

 

[Ted Williams' head]

GSP out wrestled Hughes, Fitch and Koscheck, outstruck Alves and Hardy, made Penn quit and so on. I fully agree he's a strategic master but he didn't completely rely on opponents weakness like you say.

The great thing about GSP was that everyone knew his strengths and how he'd try to use them but nobody could stop it. He's the very best at mixing it up and delivering lots of damage while taking very little. I think it's because of that he was still in great form coming back after a 3 year lay off.

Great points as usual and I'd like to add this thought as well.

Fedor started out his career as a brilliant tactician - a man with laser focus who would stick to his game plan and adapt accordingly. The same can be said for GSP.

But as time went on, Fedor began to rely heavily on his power, and became a brawler, almost completely abandoning his grappling and GnP, which is what made him great. And he became very predictable.

GSP never abandoned the style that made him great, he remained a tactician first and foremost, which is why he is still winning titles later in his career. GSP has more consistency, and consistency is a great attribute for a champ to have.

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

Another misleading thread from an OP who tends to be an expert in misleading threads.

GSP and Fedor are both top 5 GOAT's there is zero metric or stat that anyone can post to clearly say one is above the other. A true fan knows that, fake fans don't. It really comes down to a feel, I think Fedor is the 2nd best GOAT< and GSP is the 3rd to 5th best GOAT. But to say "Fedor is above GSP for sure', nah it's subjective, and it's equally lame for OP to say GSP over Fedor.


Once you get to the top guys, Jon Jones, Fedor, GSP, Anderson, Mighty Mouse, these 5 can go in any order really. If Cormier beats Stipe in July I put him up there wtih these 5.

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

GSP has never been as sloppy as Fedor has in a fight. Fedor swings like it's his only chance to win a fight.

A post like this shows you never saw Fedor in his prime and only started watching him post Pride, he was a strategic general in Pride and when he left Pride he started standing and banging, if you actually followed his career you would know that. You exposed yourself with that comment.

 

[La Paix]

Great points as usual and I'd like to add this thought as well.

Fedor started out his career as a brilliant tactician - a man with laser focus who would stick to his game plan and adapt accordingly. The same can be said for GSP.

But as time went on, Fedor began to rely heavily on his power, and became a brawler, almost completely abandoning his grappling and GnP, which is what made him great. And he became very predictable.

GSP never abandoned the style that made him great, he remained a tactician first and foremost, which is why he is still winning titles later in his career. GSP has more consistency, and consistency is a great attribute for a champ to have.

And good points here as well. I have to be honest and was worried about GSPs comeback fight. Nobody who's taken a lengthy time off has come back to look like those old self, usually it's a very sad representation of who they were. But once GSP got on the scale it was obvious he was taking the MW title seriously, he look like a Greek sculpture! And after so many said IF he wins it would be a boring lay N pray he puts on a great performance and finishes Mike a excellent fashion.

GOAT status needs to include a fighters complete body of work for better or for worse. GSP has been consistent as it gets even late into his career fighting top guys every outing. You don't see any Jaideep types on George's resume. I love me some Fedor and he'll always be one of the best ever (especially looking only at HW) but George's has the better resume and acheivements as of now.

 

[Ted Williams' head]

Another misleading thread from an OP who tends to be an expert in misleading threads.

GSP and Fedor are both top 5 GOAT's there is zero metric or stat that anyone can post to clearly say one is above the other. A true fan knows that, fake fans don't. It really comes down to a feel, I think Fedor is the 2nd best GOAT< and GSP is the 3rd to 5th best GOAT. But to say "Fedor is above GSP for sure', nah it's subjective, and it's equally lame for OP to say GSP over Fedor.


Once you get to the top guys, Jon Jones, Fedor, GSP, Anderson, Mighty Mouse, these 5 can go in any order really. If Cormier beats Stipe in July I put him up there wtih these 5.

Nothing misleading here at all, I posted a series of indisputable facts. You're free to take them to mean whatever you want.

But you just said that facts and statistics are meaningless, and we should go primarily on subjective "feel". I disagree with that, I think stats are very commonly used when talking about the greats of any sports, and are a perfect foundation to back up my subjective "feeling" that GSP is the G.O.A.T.

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

Also OP fails to account for the fact that half of Fedor's fights where like fighting guys 1 or 2 weightclasses bigger. Until GSP fought Bisping his fights where all at 170 and GSP is a really good sized WW. Fedor is 6 ft, and was a chubby 228-235 most of his career, not only is he a tiny heavy, if Fedor where in the UFC LHW weightclass he would be considered a small LHW. That is completely left out of the OP.

Ryan Bader, Tito, Jones,Chuck,Glover and many more are all bigger than Fedor but it was Fedor that was able to beat a lot of much bigger fighters, which makes his run all the more special.

 

[Ted Williams' head]

A post like this shows you never saw Fedor in his prime and only started watching him post Pride, he was a strategic general in Pride and when he left Pride he started standing and banging, if you actually followed his career you would know that. You exposed yourself with that comment.

Even if that is the case, and SCADA only started watching Fedor post-Pride, you do realise that there were video recordings made of all of the Pride events, right? This is not a "watch it live or tough luck" situation: a person can become an MMA fan today and watch video recordings of Fedor in his prime, in chronological order or whatever order that person chooses. So the point you're trying to make here simply isn't valid.

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

Even if that is the case, and SCADA only started watching Fedor post-Pride, you do realise that there were video recordings made of all of the Pride events, right? This is not a "watch it live or tough luck" situation: a person can become an MMA fan today and watch video recordings of Fedor in his prime, in chronological order or whatever order that person chooses. So the point you're trying to make here simply isn't valid.

Then if you saw him fight in Pride you would know he was not a stand and banger lol. You make no sense, as usual.

 

[Ted Williams' head]

Then if you saw him fight in Pride you would know he was not a stand and banger lol. You make no sense, as usual.

Well if you read the thread carefully, you would have noticed a post where I said Fedor started off as a brilliant technician and slowly became a brawler.

But if you referencing SCADA's comments, he's right. Fedor - even in his prime - was prone to wild striking and crazy swings. If you followed Pride back then, you'd remember there was a period where Fedor was breaking his thumb every other fight. Go back and watch the wild swinging against Gary Goodridge, and tell me if you've ever seen GSP do that lol

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

Well if you read the thread carefully, you would have noticed a post where I said Fedor started off as a brilliant technician and slowly became a brawler.

But if you referencing SCADA's comments, he's right. Fedor - even in his prime - was prone to wild striking and crazy swings. If you followed Pride back then, you'd remember there was a period where Fedor was breaking his thumb every other fight. Go back and watch the wild swinging against Gary Goodridge, and tell me if you've ever seen GSP do that lol

LOL, again you are showing ignorance. In his Prime , in Pride, he had fights like that and also had high strategy IQ fights, point is he did it all.

Your boy @SCADA's post leaves that part out

Try again