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Fucking dickheads are adding negative value to the discussion, make yourselves disappear and improve the quality- f'n big meanies.
 

Robbie Hart

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Basically, if you are using the capital asset pricing model, the simple formula is to get the risk free element away from the risky element to find out if your investment is achieving a return that equals the risk free return plus, as a form of compensation, an additional return that takes account of the risks taken:
So, let’s say you have a situation whereby the Robbie hart’s strip club has a beta of 1.4, the expected return of a treasury bill is 2.6 and the expected return on the market portfolio is 7%
Simple really:
Risk X Beta + Risk free
7-2.6=4.4
4.4 X 1.4 + 2.6 = expected return of 8.6%
 
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Filthy

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Okay, to preface this, math is harder for me than for some of you and yes I understand that (-4)(-12) = 48 but how is this ever practically applicable?

Like, wtf, if I lose 4 tires then I have -4 tires but then I multiply that by the negative times I have lost 4 tires in a year and now I magically have 48 fucking tires for the year?

Obviously, I am not talented when it comes to practical math (or really at all) but still, can someone make some sense of how multiplying two negatives gives me a positive and how any of this translates to real life?
Math is a language. The 'sign' is the direction and the 'number' is the magnitude. So writing (-4)(-12) is like saying "not never" which is the same as saying "always". So a double-negative equals a positive. If you're talking about time, it's a line that starts at 0 in any frame of reference, so negative time isn't something you can express. "Negative Time" is like saying "Elbow Pizza".
 

ShakaSway

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The debt idea makes a ton of sense, due to the idea if negative numbers essentially meaning you are in debt of something. Only idea I could come up with is using distance w/ mental integer added.

Say you take 4 steps backwards (-4), that is your starting point, and then continue on that exact path 12 more times. (12)

(-4 steps)(12 same direction)= negative 48 steps.

With -4 steps being the starting point, the next negative reverses the process, so you are now going -4 steps in the opposite direction (-12 now)

(-4)(-12)= 48 positive steps

Only thing I could come up with, but not sure when you’ll ever really need to use that.
 
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Math is a language. The 'sign' is the direction and the 'number' is the magnitude. So writing (-4)(-12) is like saying "not never" which is the same as saying "always". So a double-negative equals a positive. If you're talking about time, it's a line that starts at 0 in any frame of reference, so negative time isn't something you can express. "Negative Time" is like saying "Elbow Pizza".
I appreciate the effort....it's just, it's just how the hell would I ever use that? I mean, what the heck is the point?
I could make a pizza of chicken elbows (wings) and call it Elbow Pizza...hmmm, elbow pizza...
 
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The debt idea makes a ton of sense, due to the idea if negative numbers essentially meaning you are in debt of something. Only idea I could come up with is using distance w/ mental integer added.

Say you take 4 steps backwards (-4), that is your starting point, and then continue on that exact path 12 more times. (12)

(-4 steps)(12 same direction)= negative 48 steps.

With -4 steps being the starting point, the next negative reverses the process, so you are now going -4 steps in the opposite direction (-12 now)

(-4)(-12)= 48 positive steps

Only thing I could come up with, but not sure when you’ll ever really need to use that.
Why/How the heck would I take negative steps? Why can't I just turn around and take normal steps?

I'm only half-joking, I think you're referring to what K @Kaladin Stormblessed was on about. I guess I get it but it seems like a pointless and impractical way to refer to movement except for programming (this is only if I actually understand what you're saying).
 

KWingJitsu

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I've just paused it to say thank you. I hadn't seen it the whole thing all the way through before. Everyone gives Chris Martin such a hard time, but he's really funny.
Plus he married an insufferable cunt, so he gets a pass.
 

kaladin stormblessed

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Why/How the heck would I take negative steps? Why can't I just turn around and take normal steps?

I'm only half-joking, I think you're referring to what K @Kaladin Stormblessed was on about. I guess I get it but it seems like a pointless and impractical way to refer to movement except for programming (this is only if I actually understand what you're saying).
I love your word choice "was on about"

When people around me use that phrase it implies that your blowing off the person, since he or she is a weirdo/dummy

Which i am. So I laughed at your wording :))
 
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I love your word choice "was on about"

When people around me use that phrase it implies that your blowing off the person, since he or she is a weirdo/dummy

Which i am. So I laughed at your wording :))
It was supposed to be "if you're on about the same thing K @Kaladin Stormblessed had referred to."
Somehow in the editing process, signals got crossed and my team over here fed me the version you first read.
 

ShakaSway

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Why/How the heck would I take negative steps? Why can't I just turn around and take normal steps?

I'm only half-joking, I think you're referring to what K @Kaladin Stormblessed was on about. I guess I get it but it seems like a pointless and impractical way to refer to movement except for programming (this is only if I actually understand what you're saying).
(-1)(-100)% agree. It is very pointless and impractical. To my understanding, thats why this thread was created
 
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(-1)(-100)% agree. It is very pointless and impractical. To my understanding, thats why this thread was created
Your understanding is (-1)(100%), I honestly thought there were practical ways to apply the concept.

My next question will be about how to distribute signs in equations, but first I have to figure out how to ask about something that I don't understand.

It's funny but sometimes people understand concepts so badly that we can't even figure out how to ask what we don't know.
 

Filthy

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I appreciate the effort....it's just, it's just how the hell would I ever use that? I mean, what the heck is the point?
I could make a pizza of chicken elbows (wings) and call it Elbow Pizza...hmmm, elbow pizza...
so the problem with your example is that you started with the nonsensical 'negative time'. If I define time zero as 12 months in the future, then my current time is (-12).

If I lose 4 units a month, my function for units at any given time is f(t) = -4t. So if t(0) = 0, then if I want to know how many units I need to have 12 months in advance to be at 0 units in at t0, then f(-12) = (-4)(-12) = 48

I need to have 48 units now to be at 0 units in 12 months.
 
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so the problem with your example is that you started with the nonsensical 'negative time'. If I define time zero as 12 months in the future, then my current time is (-12).

If I lose 4 units a month, my function for units at any given time is f(t) = -4t. So if t(0) = 0, then if I want to know how many units I need to have 12 months in advance to be at 0 units in at t0, then f(-12) = (-4)(-12) = 48

I need to have 48 units now to be at 0 units in 12 months.
Does this mean I need to lose 4 tires a month for a year?
 

ShakaSway

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Your understanding is (-1)(100%), I honestly thought there were practical ways to apply the concept.

My next question will be about how to distribute signs in equations, but first I have to figure out how to ask about something that I don't understand.

It's funny but sometimes people understand concepts so badly that we can't even figure out how to ask what we don't know.
Hear ya on that last part. Was trying to get FrankieNYC @FrankieNYC to explain the USADA testing pool to me the other night and turned into a miscommunication one reply in from me