‘Wonderboy’ wants to ban side kicks to the knee after tearing MCL

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jimmy boogaloo

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yes, i do realise your recycle, but misspelled 'touché', so as not to bow too deeply :)

yes you are right about the money being important.
 
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yes, i do realise your recycle, but misspelled 'touché', so as not to bow too deeply :)

yes you are right about the money being important.
Ohhhh, now I get it. I read your post with the word "touchy" and was wondering what gives. Touchè changes everything.
Cheers.
 

La Paix

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Leave the technique be. I love Wonderboy but his compalint is coming after a guy figured out his bait and range game. He fought long opponent who figured out he could keep Thompson at bay with the kicks to the knee and was injured him in the process. Fighters need to decide if playing the bait game from outside is worth risking their knee getting fucked up. If they're good at it then it's a non issue. If they keep getting kicked in the knee they'll need to adjust gameplan, not ask for rules to be put in place to favour their style.

This complaint would be like Koscheck asking to ban the jab after GSP busted his face up.
 

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I’m far extreme of SJW. I just hate seeing guys knees get wrecked.
Ya I hear ya...I don't like that either

but I just see arguing over possible new rules, when current rules are not enforced or are so subjective

Eyepokes and knees to a guy playing the grounded game are not enforced or called properly

When current rules are enforced regularly then we can think of more rules if we want


I just think a guy will throw a kick to a knee and get a warning....Big fucking deal...damage will be done already


I just read thread and people are arguing all types of wacky shit LOL...cracks me up


PrideFc never die
 

Rambo John J

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Leave the technique be. I love Wonderboy but his compalint is coming after a guy figured out his bait and range game. He fought long opponent who figured out he could keep Thompson at bay with the kicks to the knee and was injured him in the process. Fighters need to decide if playing the bait game from outside is worth risking their knee getting fucked up. If they're good at it then it's a non issue. If they keep getting kicked in the knee they'll need to adjust gameplan, not ask for rules to be put in place to favour their style.

This complaint would be like Koscheck asking to ban the jab after GSP busted his face up.
pretty much how I see it

wonderboy sidekick to the body is usually so effective...nobody complained about that technique...we gotta save the ribs and guts yo

These are fights and more rules make for more controversy...sport is about fights and seeing what works

we protect vital organs with rules not joints...vital organs being Eyes/Brain/Penis and Testicles
 
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Ya I hear ya...I don't like that either

but I just see arguing over possible new rules, when current rules are not enforced or are so subjective

Eyepokes and knees to a guy playing the grounded game are not enforced or called properly

When current rules are enforced regularly then we can think of more rules if we want


I just think a guy will throw a kick to a knee and get a warning....Big fucking deal...damage will be done already


I just read thread and people are arguing all types of wacky shit LOL...cracks me up


PrideFc never die
I like the real politik in this.
 

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You know basically every single dipshit that has the same opinion as you already said the first part, right? And it's almost word for word the same inane generic response that gets trotted out every time this topic comes up.

We've clearly explained our position as to why they are different from normal techniques, that, yes, can cause serious injury but can also finish fights and can do so WITHOUT causing serious injury. That's two key differences and it's why these kicks are similar to rabbit punches.

So now the argument is for you to adequately explain why it's any different to ban groin kicks and rabbit punches. All you've come up with is 'groin kicks aren't a good look'. The same can be said, and often is, of these kicks.
We want our fighters to be able to reproduce, to make the next generation of fighters, and for that they need their eyesight to locate women and their loins to commit the deed. Who gives a fuck about a knee joint. Answered.
 
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to my knowledge, Wonderboy is the only person who has ever claimed direct injury from the technique. And no one can say how weak his MCL was from years of karate/TKD style kicking.

And even his injury is a long way from "career-ending".
Rampage says Bones fucked up his knees permanently. Till this day he says its a dirty tactic.

I'm kinda on the fence with it. Its a legit tactic that isn't lethal at all so hard to argue for banning it
 

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I like them. I think at some point some one might figure out a defense that will negate them. It's part of the sport.

I'd also like to see kicks to a downed opponent as well as knees while on the ground. I think that leg locks would be a different story if you could kick your opponent while grounded.

Taking away some of the "dangerous" techniques is like saying MMA needs a safe space.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Sure, stop kicks 'immobilize a body part to prevent it from being weaponized', and a groin shot can immoblize someone's entire body and stop it from being weaponized. When you punch someone in the chin, you aren't aiming to prevent their chin from being 'weaponized'. So I can immediately dismiss your argument the same way others have tried to dismiss mine - why not ban strikes to the chin if the only rule is that you can target 'weapons'? Why are small joint manipulation subs illegal? A broken finger or toe is a hell of a lot less severe than a torn ACL and that targets a 'weapon'?
Most of the techniques banned for being "dirty" are also ineffective in an actual fight. Groin strikes and small joint manipulations are good examples of this.
 

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I'd rather just ban Wonderboy. Stop stinking up arenas with your women's self defence style of karate, you bum
Lulz at a guy named Karate chop trashing a karate guy. Maybe we should just decide fights by breaking concrete blocks.
 

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Tim Sylvia says arm bars should be banned.
Big Nog doesn't like kimuras.
Paul Herrera thinks the crucifix should not be part of MMA.
Wah, wah, wah.

Edit: ^^sarcasm^^
Those guys didn't whine when they got hurt.
 

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You know basically every single dipshit that has the same opinion as you already said the first part, right? And it's almost word for word the same inane generic response that gets trotted out every time this topic comes up.

We've clearly explained our position as to why they are different from normal techniques, that, yes, can cause serious injury but can also finish fights and can do so WITHOUT causing serious injury. That's two key differences and it's why these kicks are similar to rabbit punches.

So now the argument is for you to adequately explain why it's any different to ban groin kicks and rabbit punches. All you've come up with is 'groin kicks aren't a good look'. The same can be said, and often is, of these kicks.
The hallmarks of every good argument:
  • Call the people you disagree with a "dipshit".
  • Insist that people re-explain their arguments (nut shots) or come up with a new one because you don't like it.
Sir, it was a pleasure debating you...
 

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Groin shots are so cheap
You might as well also allow someone to hide a knife and use it for good measure to gouge someone’s eye out to get an advantage
I am starting an "All-Biting" league. The only technique allowed is biting, but u have to let go after one second. I know, I know. All the purists are going to be up in arms saying, "If u don't want me to rip large chunks of your flesh off, then make me stop!" I just think it makes the sport more exciting and dynamic. Who wants to watch a guy sink his teeth into someone's love handles and not let go for 15 mins?
 

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I like them. I think at some point some one might figure out a defense that will negate them. It's part of the sport.
What is the defense? I have been thinking about it a bit since I saw your post.

Open flat stance like Bas Rutten is all I can think of but that takes away a bunch of techniques....that is all I got so far LOL

Maybe shogun's light on front foot muy thai MMA stance/style(have to be really athletic, and sucks for wrestling/TD defense)



lets hypothesize on the defense...makes more sense than making a new rule
 

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Tim Sylvia says arm bars should be banned.
Big Nog doesn't like kimuras.
Paul Herrera thinks the crucifix should not be part of MMA.
Wah, wah, wah.

Edit: ^^sarcasm^^
Those guys didn't whine when they got hurt.
kicks and punches have also broken fighters eye sockets and jaws. rich Franklin wants knees banned.
 

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What is the defense? I have been thinking about it a bit since I saw your post.

Open flat stance like Bas Rutten is all I can think of but that takes away a bunch of techniques....that is all I got so far LOL

Maybe shogun's light on front foot muy thai MMA stance/style(have to be really athletic, and sucks for wrestling/TD defense)



lets hypothesize on the defense...makes more sense than making a new rule
Imo it's all about positioning and style. Not every move needs a specific technique to counter beyond not being in a position for it to be used. Think of the few guys who had success against Semmy Schelt in kickboxing. He used that front kick on everyone who chose to stand there but if you could use footwork to get inside you could get some shots in.