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Banchan

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Note the amendment was made on the Nov.7 2018 and McClintic was transferred back to prison sometime in the early morning of Nov.8 2018.
 

Sheepdog

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It is sad. Typically these closures end up panning out okay in the end, but it's a fucked up situation to have been in to begin with.
They don't work out for everyone. And they can often completely fuck cities or parts of cities for generations.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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They don't work out for everyone. And they can often completely fuck cities or parts of cities for generations.
The closures in Ontario have typically resulted in the released employees being given jobs by other, non unionized manufacturers.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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In this thread I am only talking about GM.

Dias knew the cars were leaving, they lost several to Mexico and he had been demanding to know what models would allocate to Oshawa and GM kept stalling. He didn't think the shares were necessarily going to keep Oshawa open but he still felt it was leverage. That was under the Conservative PM. Now that the shares are gone he is trying to get the Liberal PM and provincial gov. to tariff GM so high that it would be more profitable to keep Oshawa open. So the union does blame everyone but themselves.
That's fair but then you shouldn't call it the auto sector. Its been a long time since GM made up a large part of Canada's auto manufacturing sector.

Regarding Dias' statements about the CP government. You need to keep in mind that he was campaigning for JT at the time. He actually still is.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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It was an amendment of an existing policy in the Correctional Services Act. Only new laws need to be passed. An existing law can be amended without the house.

The amendment can be found here under inmate transfers.

Transfer of Inmates
Are you sure that's the amendment?

From what was being reported initially the healing lodge met the security requirements of the facility she had been transferred from.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Yes and no. Manufacturing has declined so much that it's not possible to absorb everyone.
I'm not sure that's an entirely accurate statement, granted it's very difficult to actually hammer down the number of southern Ontarians whom work in auto manufacturing. You'll hear to it referred as "Canadian auto workers" but personally I don't know of any auto factories outside of Ontario.
 

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I'm not sure that's an entirely accurate statement, granted it's very difficult to actually hammer down the number of southern Ontarians whom work in auto manufacturing. You'll hear to it referred as "Canadian auto workers" but personally I don't know of any auto factories outside of Ontario.
It's not an accurate statement that manufacturing jobs have significantly declined?
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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It's not an accurate statement that manufacturing jobs have significantly declined?
If we're speaking about auto manufacturing specifically, which is what I understood the context to be, then no I don't believe that's an entirely accurate statement.
 

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If we're speaking about auto manufacturing specifically, which is what I understood the context to be, then no I don't believe that's an accurate statement.
Is this a case of being unaware of a fact or a Trump-style refusal to 'believe' it?
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Is this a case of being unaware of a fact or a Trump-style refusal to 'believe' it?
The reporting on auto manufacturing gets squirrely because the auto workers and media outlets are represented by the same union. Most auto jobs aren't union but they're the only ones you ever hear about. I can't recall any non-union plants closing or having large scale layoffs, as recently as May of this year Toyota was announcing an expansion.
 

Sheepdog

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The reporting on auto manufacturing gets squirrely because the auto workers and media outlets are represented by the same union. Most auto jobs aren't union but they're the only ones you ever hear about. I can't recall any non-union plants closing or having large scale layoffs, as recently as May of this year Toyota was announcing an expansion.
So it's a conspiracy to misrepresent the numbers just like climate change perpetrated by those damn commies and their evil media allies? Got it.

You should have a beer or two, champ.
 

Banchan

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Are you sure that's the amendment?

From what was being reported initially the healing lodge met the security requirements of the facility she had been transferred from.
Not sure what you are disputing. The healing lodge where McClintic was housed was a medium security prison and continues to be. However as of Nov.7 the policy was amended to include that if an offender with a long prison sentence must spend a considerable amount of that sentence in a controlled parameter prison before transfers to healing lodges will be considered. A healing lodge may meet security level but it isn't a controlled parameter prison.

So like if you are looking at 20 years in prison before parole, you cant serve 1 year in regular prison and asked to be transferred to a healing lodge for the remaining 19. Also, they will only consider transferring those who are likely nearing the end of their term, meaning even if you are eligible for parole in 20 years but you aren't likely going to get paroled then no transfer either. Also your application must be reviewed and approved by the commissioner, so there is a further approval process needed than before. These are amendments that did not exist in the policy a month ago.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Not sure what you are disputing. The healing lodge where McClintic was housed was a medium security prison and continues to be. However as of Nov.7 the policy was amended to include that if an offender with a long prison sentence must spend a considerable amount of that sentence in a controlled parameter prison before transfers to healing lodges will be considered. A healing lodge may meet security level but it isn't a controlled parameter prison.

So like if you are looking at 20 years in prison before parole, you cant serve 1 year in regular prison and asked to be transferred to a healing lodge for the remaining 19. Also, they will only consider transferring those who are likely nearing the end of their term, meaning even if you are eligible for parole in 20 years but you aren't likely going to get paroled then no transfer either. Also your application must be reviewed and approved by the commissioner, so there is a further approval process needed than before. These are amendments that did not exist in the policy a month ago.
I'm not disputing anything. The link you posted says:

  • To effectively manage institutional populations by transferring inmates to an environment consistent with their security requirements. This would include the movement of inmates within clustered and multi-level institutions
 

Banchan

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I'm not disputing anything. The link you posted says:
Ya because the healing lodge than mcclintic was sent to had a medium and minimum security sections. She was in the medium but neither was a secured parameter like the prison she transferred from.

Long story short they amended the policy so that they made it very hard for serious offenders (in a slap on the wrist justice system like Canada chances are if you have a long sentence you did a very serious crime) to end up in healing lodges until you are just about out anyway.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Ya because the healing lodge than mcclintic was sent to had a medium and minimum security sections. She was in the medium but neither was a secured parameter like the prison she transferred from.

Long story short they amended the policy so that they made it very hard for serious offenders (in a slap on the wrist justice system like Canada chances are if you have a long sentence you did a very serious crime) to end up in healing lodges until you are just about out anyway.
I reiterate, the link you posted doesn't say anything about "secured parameters" it only mentioned that they have to have equal "security requirements". When this was going down the publicly stated position was that it had happened because they're both medium security so there wasn't a security concern.

That's why I was asking if you were sure you'd posted the correct link.
 

Banchan

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I reiterate, the link you posted doesn't say anything about "secured parameters" it only mentioned that they have to have equal "security requirements". When this was going down the publicly stated position was that it had happened because they're both medium security so there wasn't a security concern.

That's why I was asking if you were sure you'd posted the correct link.
  1. In the case of a medium-security woman offender, the Deputy Commissioner for Women will ensure that a transfer decision to a multi-level healing lodge, which has a defined but not directly controlled perimeter, is made considering the following factors:
    1. the length of an inmate’s sentence
    2. the time remaining before an inmate is eligible for an unescorted temporary absence (UTA)
    3. the requirement for a long-term offender to be in the ‘preparation for release’ or ‘reintegration into the community’ phase of their Correctional Plan as per Annex G of CD 705-6.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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  1. In the case of a medium-security woman offender, the Deputy Commissioner for Women will ensure that a transfer decision to a multi-level healing lodge, which has a defined but not directly controlled perimeter, is made considering the following factors:
    1. the length of an inmate’s sentence
    2. the time remaining before an inmate is eligible for an unescorted temporary absence (UTA)
    3. the requirement for a long-term offender to be in the ‘preparation for release’ or ‘reintegration into the community’ phase of their Correctional Plan as per Annex G of CD 705-6.
That was not in the provided link, which was why I asked.

The term "defined perimeter" is completely laughable though.
 

Freeloading Rusty

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The term "defined perimeter" is completely laughable though.
Why do?

Seems pretty clear cut to me. Crossing this clearly marked line will result in more charges and likely a return to a more secure prison. Guards can guard a defined perimeter just as good as a fence can.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Why do?

Seems pretty clear cut to me. Crossing this clearly marked line will result in more charges and likely a return to a more secure prison. Guards can guard a defined perimeter just as good as a fence can.
If what I'm being told is correct, the point of this wording is to ensure that someone won't go from a prison to a healing lodge with no walls. Under that wording, there's nothing to prevent it.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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It is in the link. Section 6b

They want to male it sound like it's a serious facility.
The healing lodge she was in has a "defined but not directly controlled perimeter"

If that was the change it wouldn't be enough to get her put back into real prison.