Society Black Man Killed by Officer in Alabama Mall Shooting Was Not the Gunman, Police Now Say

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BeardOfKnowledge

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The part I quoted is updated news. The part you additionally quoted was reported two days ago.
I just enjoyed the phrasing of it. Where they say he wasn't the gunman, but still try to associate him to the event.
 

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How bow dah?

Exam: Black man killed by officer shot 3 times in back
A forensic examination shows a black man was shot three times in the back side of his body when an Alabama police officer mistook him for the shooter after gunfire erupted at a crowded shopping mall, the man's family said Monday.

The results of a report commissioned by the family are "devastating" to relatives of Emantic "EJ" Bradford Jr., their lawyer, Ben Crump, said at an emotional news conference.
 

Freeloading Rusty

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Did he have a gun drawn at the time?

I'm not suggesting that's a good reason to shoot him, I'm just looking to flesh out the details.
How does a good guy with a gun stop a bad guy with a gun if he has to keep it holstered?

I cant remember, he was legally permitted to be carrying his gun, yes?
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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How does a good guy with a gun stop a bad guy with a gun if he has to keep it holstered?

I cant remember, he was legally permitted to be carrying his gun, yes?
Did you read the whole post, or just the initial question and get your jimmies rustled?
 

Filthy

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There are degrees of guilt/intent.
unless the firearm was pointed at the officer or being brandished (police department is on record that neither was the case), I don't see how there's any mitigation by whether the weapon was drawn or holstered, visible or concealed.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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unless the firearm was pointed at the officer or being brandished (police department is on record that neither was the case), I don't see how there's any mitigation by whether the weapon was drawn or holstered, visible or concealed.
If he was responding to a call where the victim matched the suspect description and the victime had the weapon trained on someone else, it's quite a bit different from walking into the food court and shooting someone in the back while they're eating a burrito.
 

Filthy

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If he was responding to a call where the victim matched the suspect description and the victime had the weapon trained on someone else, it's quite a bit different from walking into the food court and shooting someone in the back while they're eating a burrito.
the police have already said that the victim was not brandishing the weapon or being otherwise threatening with it.

they also refuse to release security camera footage from the incident.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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the police have already said that the victim was not brandishing the weapon or being otherwise threatening with it.

they also refuse to release security camera footage from the incident.
So is my understanding correct that we don't know whether or not his gun was drawn?
 

maurice

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What we know:
- The cops initially said he was the perp.
- Then they admitted he wasn't.
- They said he was "brandishing" a gun.
- Then they admitted he wasn't.
- They won't release the video.
- Alabama is an open carry state.

Also:
How does a good guy with a gun stop a bad guy with a gun if he has to keep it holstered?
The known facts are not really painting a portrait of a good shooting.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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The known facts are not really painting a portrait of a good shooting.
It's almost certainly a bad shooting, but there's a marked difference between murder 1 and manslaughter. That's why the details matter.
 

Filthy

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So is my understanding correct that we don't know whether or not his gun was drawn?
we don't. The police do, and they've said he wasn't brandishing it or pointing it at anyone. They've refused to release the video. Traditionally, the police will immediately release videos that exonerate their behavior. And vice-versa.

we also know he was shot 3 times in the back.
we know that it was a legally-carried firearm.

I don't think that whether or not the firearm was in his hand or in its holster makes any difference in the culpability of the officer who killed an innocent man who was not an immediate threat to the officer or innocent bystanders.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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I don't think that whether or not the firearm was in his hand or in its holster makes any difference in the culpability of the officer who killed an innocent man who was not an immediate threat to the officer or innocent bystanders.
I don't think I ever suggested the officer wasn't at fault.
 

Filthy

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I don't think I ever suggested the officer wasn't at fault.
not saying you did. Just explaining why I think that whether or not he had the gun out is irrelevant. Cops shouldn't get to kill people because they're scared. Maybe I'm the asshole because I've lived under threat of getting shot or mortared, and managed not to kill anybody. Maybe the 20:1 civilian:cop death ratio can be dialed back a little bit. Maybe cops shouldn't be allowed to kill anyone until that person has shot at them or stabbed them.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Just explaining why I think that whether or not he had the gun out is irrelevant.
It will be relevant because there are degrees of wrongful death (assuming of course that this officer actually goes to court and is found guilty)

"I was responding to a call of an active shooter. Saw a man with gun who I thought fit the description, and shot him." is very different from "I saw a guy with a holstered gun, assumed it was the shooter, and shot him."

Maybe cops shouldn't be allowed to kill anyone until that person has shot at them or stabbed them.
Nice thought, but unfortunately not the nature of the job.
 

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Maybe having different rules for white people and people of color is the right idea.
 

Filthy

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It will be relevant because there are degrees of wrongful death (assuming of course that this officer actually goes to court and is found guilty)

"I was responding to a call of an active shooter. Saw a man with gun who I thought fit the description, and shot him." is very different from "I saw a guy with a holstered gun, assumed it was the shooter, and shot him."



Nice thought, but unfortunately not the nature of the job.
how come none of the other people who were there with guns drawn shot this guy, or got shot themselves by the police?

Cops should not be given a Kill Pass if they say "I was scared and responding in the moment". No shit, so was everybody else. You are the professional who is supposed to only kill bad guys. If we wanted vigilante law enforcement, where any startled squirrel could claim that something they saw scared them so they killed it, we wouldn't have police in the first place.

and as a taxpayer, I pay a premium for cops - a vocation - to assume risks so that innocent civilians don't have to die.
If they're killing innocent civilians, they should go to jail.
 

Filthy

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Anyone shoot at you at work today?
Nope. And the odds are about the same for a police officer.
what's your point?

scared rabbits shouldn't get guns. And if scared rabbits kill the people they're supposed to protect, without cause, they should go to jail.