I just enjoyed the phrasing of it. Where they say he wasn't the gunman, but still try to associate him to the event.The part I quoted is updated news. The part you additionally quoted was reported two days ago.
I just enjoyed the phrasing of it. Where they say he wasn't the gunman, but still try to associate him to the event.The part I quoted is updated news. The part you additionally quoted was reported two days ago.
A forensic examination shows a black man was shot three times in the back side of his body when an Alabama police officer mistook him for the shooter after gunfire erupted at a crowded shopping mall, the man's family said Monday.
The results of a report commissioned by the family are "devastating" to relatives of Emantic "EJ" Bradford Jr., their lawyer, Ben Crump, said at an emotional news conference.
Did he have a gun drawn at the time?
How does a good guy with a gun stop a bad guy with a gun if he has to keep it holstered?Did he have a gun drawn at the time?
I'm not suggesting that's a good reason to shoot him, I'm just looking to flesh out the details.
Did you read the whole post, or just the initial question and get your jimmies rustled?How does a good guy with a gun stop a bad guy with a gun if he has to keep it holstered?
I cant remember, he was legally permitted to be carrying his gun, yes?
if it's not a mitigating circumstance, why does the detail matter?Did he have a gun drawn at the time?
I'm not suggesting that's a good reason to shoot him, I'm just looking to flesh out the details.
There are degrees of guilt/intent.if it's not a mitigating circumstance, why does the detail matter?
unless the firearm was pointed at the officer or being brandished (police department is on record that neither was the case), I don't see how there's any mitigation by whether the weapon was drawn or holstered, visible or concealed.There are degrees of guilt/intent.
If he was responding to a call where the victim matched the suspect description and the victime had the weapon trained on someone else, it's quite a bit different from walking into the food court and shooting someone in the back while they're eating a burrito.unless the firearm was pointed at the officer or being brandished (police department is on record that neither was the case), I don't see how there's any mitigation by whether the weapon was drawn or holstered, visible or concealed.
the police have already said that the victim was not brandishing the weapon or being otherwise threatening with it.If he was responding to a call where the victim matched the suspect description and the victime had the weapon trained on someone else, it's quite a bit different from walking into the food court and shooting someone in the back while they're eating a burrito.
So is my understanding correct that we don't know whether or not his gun was drawn?the police have already said that the victim was not brandishing the weapon or being otherwise threatening with it.
they also refuse to release security camera footage from the incident.
The known facts are not really painting a portrait of a good shooting.How does a good guy with a gun stop a bad guy with a gun if he has to keep it holstered?
It's almost certainly a bad shooting, but there's a marked difference between murder 1 and manslaughter. That's why the details matter.The known facts are not really painting a portrait of a good shooting.
we don't. The police do, and they've said he wasn't brandishing it or pointing it at anyone. They've refused to release the video. Traditionally, the police will immediately release videos that exonerate their behavior. And vice-versa.So is my understanding correct that we don't know whether or not his gun was drawn?
I don't think I ever suggested the officer wasn't at fault.I don't think that whether or not the firearm was in his hand or in its holster makes any difference in the culpability of the officer who killed an innocent man who was not an immediate threat to the officer or innocent bystanders.
not saying you did. Just explaining why I think that whether or not he had the gun out is irrelevant. Cops shouldn't get to kill people because they're scared. Maybe I'm the asshole because I've lived under threat of getting shot or mortared, and managed not to kill anybody. Maybe the 20:1 civilian:cop death ratio can be dialed back a little bit. Maybe cops shouldn't be allowed to kill anyone until that person has shot at them or stabbed them.I don't think I ever suggested the officer wasn't at fault.
It will be relevant because there are degrees of wrongful death (assuming of course that this officer actually goes to court and is found guilty)Just explaining why I think that whether or not he had the gun out is irrelevant.
Nice thought, but unfortunately not the nature of the job.Maybe cops shouldn't be allowed to kill anyone until that person has shot at them or stabbed them.
This would never get murder 1 charges. I haven't seen any hints at premeditation.It's almost certainly a bad shooting, but there's a marked difference between murder 1 and manslaughter. That's why the details matter.
depending on the state, 'premeditation' can mean 'killed who you meant to kill'.If the gun was drawn,
This would never get murder 1 charges. I haven't seen any hints at premeditation.
how come none of the other people who were there with guns drawn shot this guy, or got shot themselves by the police?It will be relevant because there are degrees of wrongful death (assuming of course that this officer actually goes to court and is found guilty)
"I was responding to a call of an active shooter. Saw a man with gun who I thought fit the description, and shot him." is very different from "I saw a guy with a holstered gun, assumed it was the shooter, and shot him."
Nice thought, but unfortunately not the nature of the job.
Because this guy is bad at his job.how come none of the other people who were there with guns drawn shot this guy, or got shot themselves by the police?
i'm bad at my job.Because this guy is bad at his job.
Anyone shoot at you at work today?i'm bad at my job.
this officer is a criminal. I'm sympathetic, to an extent, but with great power must come greater accountability.
Nope. And the odds are about the same for a police officer.Anyone shoot at you at work today?