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Banchan

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I believe there's a west-east pipeline that isn't used at full capacity. Even if there's no pipeline at all, build one. Problem solved and you've created some jobs along the way.
It's not currently used for oil and would require alot of construction and upgrades.

They cannot move on either West, South or West-East because so many towns and cities and native groups are opposing it. The original pipe was built along time ago and now there is significant population growth over key areas that the pipes travel through and they are met with intense opposition and long drawn out court cases to continue so it's not as easy as building more pipelines.
 

Banchan

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I didn't say to reduce production.
I'm not really sure what you mean but let me explain why oil keeps being produced despite that it is fetching very low prices by using the agriculture model regardless.

When you buy produce in Ontario in the winter that is out of season locally and was grown abroad, example strawberries. often you will have local farms that grow strawberries in Ontario distributing them. On the package it might read strawberries grown in Mexico but a farm in Kenora "packed" them. When they do this, they often lose money or just break even on this imported produce. So why are they making little profits and selling other people's produce instead of just packing up for the winter and reselling again in the spring? Why bother if it's not profitable right? When farms produce no produce of their own, they still want to keep the company generating some kind of revenue to pay bills and employees and continue their contracts with distribution chains and stores, even if that means hardly cutting even or even losing money over the winter season because shutting down or having nothing to sell means employees leave and find other employment, the distributors and stores will buy the produce they bought from you from other farms and those other farms can sell year round so when you have produce again, they don't really need your stuff because the other guy sells year round. So farmers will buy other farmers's stuff to sell their distributors and customers just to remain viable when they don't have no product of their own.

Similar if oil producers in Alberta drastically cut down sales of their oil there will be other oil companies abroad eager to fill your place, you lose contracts, employees and the whole structure of your business begins to collapse. You got to find new employees, train them, new contracts and businesses to buy your stuff. It's easier to steadily try maintaining a business even if it's not very profitable rather than shut it down or significantly reduce capacity forcing your customers to buy elsewhere and expect those buyers will still be eager to buy your oil when things turn up again for you. That's why they are hesitant to cut production and if they have to, to do so minimally as to not effect the structure of their business or the Canadian economy (GDP from oil and services related).
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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I'm not really sure what you mean but let me explain why oil keeps being produced despite that it is fetching very low prices by using the agriculture model regardless.

When you buy produce in Ontario in the winter that is out of season locally and was grown abroad, example strawberries. often you will have local farms that grow strawberries in Ontario distributing them. On the package it might read strawberries grown in Mexico but a farm in Kenora "packed" them. When they do this, they often lose money or just break even on this imported produce. So why are they making little profits and selling other people's produce instead of just packing up for the winter and reselling again in the spring? Why bother if it's not profitable right? When farms produce no produce of their own, they still want to keep the company generating some kind of revenue to pay bills and employees and continue their contracts with distribution chains and stores, even if that means hardly cutting even or even losing money over the winter season because shutting down or having nothing to sell means employees leave and find other employment, the distributors and stores will buy the produce they bought from you from other farms and those other farms can sell year round so when you have produce again, they don't really need your stuff because the other guy sells year round. So farmers will buy other farmers's stuff to sell their distributors and customers just to remain viable when they don't have no product of their own.

Similar if oil producers in Alberta drastically cut down sales of their oil there will be other oil companies abroad eager to fill your place, you lose contracts, employees and the whole structure of your business begins to collapse. You got to find new employees, train them, new contracts and businesses to buy your stuff. It's easier to steadily try maintaining a business even if it's not very profitable rather than shut it down or significantly reduce capacity forcing your customers to buy elsewhere and expect those buyers will still be eager to buy your oil when things turn up again for you. That's why they are hesitant to cut production and if they have to, to do so minimally as to not effect the structure of their business or the Canadian economy (GDP from oil and services related).
I reiterate, I never said anything about reducing production. Oil doesn't go bad, keep pumping it out and store it until it's needed.
 

Banchan

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More jobs you say? Perfect!
Again that's not how it works. Even the liberals want to proceed with pipeline infastructure but they are getting opposition from the people, municipalities and indigenous groups that live around the pipe as well as the court system.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Again that's not how it works. Even the liberals want to proceed with pipeline infastructure but they are getting opposition from the people, municipalities and indigenous groups that live around the pipe as well as the court system.
Opposition? Oh, you mean to be bought off. No problem, we can do that too. Yay, grants!!!
 

Banchan

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The cash is still going to come in. We're an oil dependent society.
The money coming in from consumption of petroleum is nowhere, I stress NOWHERE near enough to offset petroleum sales. You're not just profiting from the actual sale but all the related industries and logistics of moving it. This is a large part of your GDP that would go into massive layoffs if you just barreled up oil and stored it. That is a ridiculous notion that domestic gas sales would somehow cover the export of petroleum.
 

Banchan

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Freeloading Rusty

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I reiterate, I never said anything about reducing production. Oil doesn't go bad, keep pumping it out and store it until it's needed.
I dont think we have enough space to keep pumping out that much oil and just putting it into 'storage'. I would assume if this was an efficient option, it would have been considered.
 

Freeloading Rusty

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BC government unveils new climate plan
Speaking in Vancouver on Wednesday, Premier John Horgan and Green Party Leader Andrew Weaver announced Clean BC, a new long-term climate strategy that aims to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 40% by 2030. The plan, which will encourage residents to transition to zero-emission vehicles, also includes a carbon tax and incentives for industries to adopt cleaner operations.

View: https://twitter.com/bcndp/status/1070446477074448385


View: https://twitter.com/jjhorgan/status/1070434164199981056


View: https://twitter.com/AJWVictoriaBC/status/1070444534784356353


View: https://twitter.com/MayorGregor/status/1070425640434753536



View: https://twitter.com/HorneMatt/status/1070437169662124032
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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I dont think we have enough space to keep pumping out that much oil and just putting it into 'storage'. I would assume if this was an efficient option, it would have been considered.
It doesn't drive profit the same way creating a shortage does.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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What do with do with all that storage space when oil prices are not so low? Seems a waste of resources to build for such minimal use.
You'd be able to use it as a indefinite reserve.

Do you think it would be cost effective?
Hard to say.

The oil industry is an interesting one in the sense that we suspend virtually every business rule as to not upset the precious oil industry. If we're being honest this whole issue seems like one created by the oil industry to keep the good times rolling.
 

Freeloading Rusty

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Premier Doug Ford says he’s not to blame after U.S. regulator zaps Hydro One takeover of Avista
Premier Doug Ford insists he’s not to blame for U.S. regulators zapping Hydro One’s $6.7 billion takeover of Avista Corp., which will cost Ontario taxpayers tens of millions in cancellation fees.

In his first public statement since Washington state rejected the Ontario utility’s proposed takeover of Avista citing political meddling by Ford’s government, the premier was unrepentant.


“Upon assuming office we acted decisively to keep our promise to Ontario voters,” Ford said Thursday, referring to his decision to get rid of Mayo Schmidt, the Hydro One CEO he derided as the “$6-million man” for his hefty salary.

“I will never apologize for keeping my promises to the voters. We are reducing hydro rates and, after years of neglect, finally putting the ratepayer first,” the premier said.

Energy Minister Greg Rickford, meanwhile, appeared to be holding out hope that the deal could somehow be salvaged.

“That was one of three regulatory bodies’ decisions and that is not an expected outcome. Hydro One and Avista are reviewing that decision and considering their options,” Rickford told the legislature.

Outside the house, the minister rejected the suggestion that political interference scuttled the bid.

“I’m not sure that’s what the decision said,” he said.

Ford emphasized that the setback “doesn’t change our focus on bringing down hydro rates and protecting the people of Ontario.”

“This is a deal that was put together by the former board and former CEO of Hydro One — a deal that did nothing to lower hydro rates for Ontario residents,” the premier said, adding ratepayers should not “take a back seat to foreign regulators.”


“Our government ran on a clear promise to clean up the mess at Hydro One. This included a firm commitment to renew the Hydro One senior leadership that had lost the confidence of Ontario ratepayers. The people of Ontario elected us to follow through on this promise,” he said.

The Washington Utilities and Transportation Commission (UTC) said the $6.7-billion deal was not in the public interest because it was “evident” decisions impacting Hydro One were influenced by “political considerations” in Ontario.
Well isnt that a kick in the nuts for Ontario.
 
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Freeloading Rusty

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Trudeau says government had no involvement in arrest of top Huawei executive
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Thursday said his government had no involvement in the arrest of a top executive from Chinese technology giant Huawei, who was detained at Vancouver airport.


Trudeau said Ottawa had been given a few days’ advance notice about the plan to arrest Meng Wanzhou, who faces extradition to the United States. He declined to give further details, given that Meng faces a bail hearing on Friday.

The news pummeled stock markets already nervous about increased tension between the United States and China and prompted experts to predict that Beijing would retaliate against Canada.

“The appropriate authorities took the decisions in this case without any political involvement or interference … we were advised by them with a few days’ notice that this was in the works,” Trudeau told reporters in Montreal in televised remarks


Asked whether he had spoken to the Chinese premier or the ambassador, Trudeau said he had had no conversations with international counterparts about the case.

China’s embassy said late on Wednesday that it firmly opposed what it called an unjustified arrest.

The move comes at a challenging time for Trudeau, whose attempts to boost trade ties with China are sputtering.

Brock University professor Charles Burton, a former Canadian diplomat who had served two postings in China, said Beijing was convinced the U.S. administration had pressured Canada to go ahead with the arrest.


“We can expect China to retaliate against Canada very vigorously,” he said by email.

In June 2014, Chinese businessman Su Bin was picked up on a U.S. warrant in Canada, where he had been attempting to establish residency. Shortly afterwards a Canadian citizen in China was arrested and charged with spying. Kevin Garratt spent two years in detention before being deported.

Su pleaded guilty to conspiring to hack defense contractors and was sentenced to nearly four years in prison in 2016.


Asked about the potential for ties with Beijing to sour, a Canadian government official said the two countries had a sophisticated relationship.

“We will continue to discuss issues across a range of fora designed to do just that,” said the official, who requested anonymity given the sensitivity of the situation.

Richard Kurland, a Vancouver-based immigration lawyer, said there was little chance Meng would be released from detention. Most people held on U.S. warrants are extradited quickly, he said in an interview.

“If you have deep pockets, you have options,” he said.

Huawei has a small Canadian operation, employing just shy of 1,000 people. But the company said early this year it had become the 25th largest research and development funder in Canada, thanks to partnerships with local universities.