VID Joe Rogan says NSAC is stupid, agrees with Foster and Nowitzky

[member 3289]

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View: https://youtu.be/ll4E3-kP_54#t=117m05s


“I don’t understand why they couldn’t just do this in Nevada,” Rogan said. “I guess they’re on vacation or some (expletive). That’s crazy. Figure it out. Let’s make a phone call. Isn’t there one person? One person should say, ‘OK, is it, to the best of your knowledge, absolutely from the original test?’ ‘Yes sir, by all the science, we’ll submit the science, show you the science, tell you the number.’ ‘OK, let him fight.'”

Rogan said if CSAC director Andy Foster is on board with giving Jones a license based on the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency not ruling Jones’ test a violation due to a belief it’s a residual “pulsing” effect from his previous positive test, then he can be on board.

“Andy Foster – I have a great deal of respect for that guy,” Rogan said. “Very proactive with weight-cutting, very proactive with weight classes, very proactive with a lot of the rules. He’s really good. If he believes this is scientifically proven to be the same exact thing that he’s already been punished for, I agree with him. That guy knows what the (expletive) he’s talking about. Same with (Jeff) Novitzky, same with all the other people saying it’s legit.”

 

[Robbie Hart]

The Novitzky podcast will reveal nothing more than the bullshit being spewed

 

[Rambo John J]

Shame on Joe...Integrity Gone

 

[jimmy boogaloo]

this podcast would be a car crash if they had a vaguely thoughtful second guest. otherwise it'll just be a giant slickly run pro-ufc infomercial

 

[member 3289]

Finally someone intelligent speaks on this issue in so tired of seeing butthurt Jon Jones haters cry about shit

 

[Rambo John J]

Finally someone intelligent speaks on this issue in so tired of seeing butthurt Jon Jones haters cry about shit

how is your 5 person discussion going...how do you learn when you have 5 people not on your ignore list and Joe Rogan is your source
LOL happy steroid Christmas Florida man

check the Meltzer thread you have on ignore for the real info

 

[member 3289]

Fucked the time stamp up but it's good niw

 

[Silverball]

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[Rambo John J]

Here is opinion of somebody not Paid By UFC


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6AVp8ahMeg

 

[Splinty]

I don’t understand why they couldn’t just do this in Nevada,” Rogan said. “I guess they’re on vacation or some (expletive). That’s crazy. Figure it out. Let’s make a phone call. Isn’t there one person? One person should say, ‘OK, is it, to the best of your knowledge, absolutely from the original test?’ ‘Yes sir, by all the science, we’ll submit the science, show you the science, tell you the number.’ ‘OK, let him fight.'”

That person doesn't exist. That's why.
Only timing and USADAs self adjudication process has allowed this cluster to continue where one state won't sanction the fight and another will.
If VADA had caught this positive, the SAME positive with the SAME number, Jones would have been suspended by CSAC and reciprocally from all other states.

The positive is in no way unique compared to the original positive. Novitzky has just posited that oral tbol users may have false positives FOREVER but has not acknowledge that there's no data backing this other than anecdotal and unpublished, and also that the fighter might have just as likely cheated again.

Joe is going with the, "I don't know but Novitzky and these guys are experts!" argument...which I would normally be fine with, but the USADA and UFC relationship, combined with the adjudication process, leaves too many conflicts of interest AND Novitzky has failed to address how you know the current positive is not a new positive. That latter point isn't addressed. Instead, the focus is on its a low amount...just like the first time.

 

[Sheepdog]

Very predictable but still very funny. What a shameless hack.

 

[Rambo John J]

That person doesn't exist. That's why.
Only timing and USADAs self adjudication process has allowed this cluster to continue where one state won't sanction the fight and another will.
If VADA had caught this positive, the SAME positive with the SAME number, Jones would have been suspended by CSAC and reciprocally from all other states.

The positive is in no way unique compared to the original positive. Novitzky has just posited that oral tbol users may have false positives FOREVER but has not acknowledge that there's no data backing this other than anecdotal and unpublished, and also that the fighter might have just as likely cheated again.

Joe is going with the, "I don't know but Novitzky and these guys are experts!" argument...which I would normally be fine with, but the USADA and UFC relationship, combined with the adjudication process, leaves too many conflicts of interest AND Novitzky has failed to address how you know the current positive is not a new positive. That latter point isn't addressed. Instead, the focus is on its a low amount...just like the first time.

are you saying you don't trust these fellas and their body language?




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Its hilarious...thanks shats bassoon

 

[WoodenPupa]

If VADA had caught this positive, the SAME positive with the SAME number, Jones would have been suspended by CSAC and reciprocally from all other states.

Didn't Jonny sign up for VADA now? I suppose it won't matter, since he'll either have stopped "pulsing" or using, whichever is the case.

 

[Splinty]

are you saying you don't trust these fellas and their body language?

Novitzky has turned USADA into a lobbying organization instead of a testing organization.

VADA is a much more ethical arrangement, in which testing results are then passed to the CSAC, an actual governing body of sport in the United States, to decide context and outcome of a positive result, which then sets continued precedent for future cases.

 

[Splinty]

Didn't Jonny sign up for VADA now? I suppose it won't matter, since he'll either have stopped "pulsing" or using, whichever is the case.

He refused originally and then California forced him to do it in order to get the fight moved. That was their compromise given the obvious disaster of USADA trying to test and adjudicate results, instead of allowing the AC's to adjudicate results as they are intended to do so.

 

[member 3289]

Didn't Jonny sign up for VADA now? I suppose it won't matter, since he'll either have stopped "pulsing" or using, whichever is the case.

Yeah he is signed up for it now.

Nothing but respect to him for doing that.

 

[Splinty]

Andy Foster – I have a great deal of respect for that guy,” Rogan said. “Very proactive with weight-cutting, very proactive with weight classes, very proactive with a lot of the rules. He’s really good.

I wonder what Joe thinks of Andy stating that USADA shouldn't ajudicate cases and regrets CSAC turfing to USADA because of the conflict of interest with the promoter (UFC) paying the tester (USADA).

"It was wrong...We allowed it."



View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Lt1LT8mpbs&t=2m0s

 

[SuperPig]

I wonder what Joe thinks of Andy stating that USADA shouldn't ajudicate cases and regrets CSAC turfing to USADA because of the conflict of interest with the promoter (UFC) paying the tester (USADA).

"It was wrong...We allowed it."



View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Lt1LT8mpbs&t=2m0s

I dunno but i agree. Let USADA handle the testing and then the state pass out the punishments.

Of course, I would also want one consistent set of rules and guidelines among all of the states/commissions.

 

[member 3289]

I wonder what Joe thinks of Andy stating that USADA shouldn't ajudicate cases and regrets CSAC turfing to USADA because of the conflict of interest with the promoter (UFC) paying the tester (USADA).

"It was wrong...We allowed it."



View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Lt1LT8mpbs&t=2m0s

USADA fucked up and was going to end Jon Jones's career before logic took over and they reduced his 48-month suspension.

Foster is a god damn hero.

 

[Splinty]

USADA fucked up and was going to end Jon Jones's career before logic took over and they reduced his 48-month suspension.

Foster is a god damn hero.

The consistency of Foster would be VADA tests, CSAC decides.
In that case, Jones gets an 18 months suspension out the door. Then he tests positive again now and the NYE fight is off. CSAC would be taking a positive test from VADA and instead of you trolling online about Jones being innocent, there'd be hearing about the lack of evidence that tbol is positive forever and we'd get to see the CSAC decide what to do if you believe Jones is going to false positive forever. To believe fosters words would be to balance that with the fact that Jones probably cheated again...or at least the test says that's just as likely. And justice there, per Foster's interview, would require some suspension.

 

[Splinty]

I dunno but i agree. Let USADA handle the testing and then the state pass out the punishments.

Of course, I would also want one consistent set of rules and guidelines among all of the states/commissions.

That is how VADA works.

And VADA wants to report consistently to the CSAC because their outcome will then be reciprocal. Yes that means you have to trust CSAC, but they've tried to lead the way on safety like weight cuts. And with 50 ACs, you just pick one to report to, set precedent, and the rest will respect the result of any suspensions.

 

[Rambo John J]

The consistency of Foster would be VADA tests, CSAC decides.
In that case, Jones gets an 18 months suspension out the door. Then he tests positive again now and the NYE fight is off. CSAC would be taking a positive test from VADA and instead of you trolling online about Jones being innocent, there'd be hearing about the lack of evidence that tbol is positive forever and we'd get to see the CSAC decide what to do if you believe Jones is going to false positive forever. To believe fosters words would be to balance that with the fact that Jones probably cheated again...or at least the test says that's just as likely. And justice there, per Foster's interview, would require some suspension.

Foster and Nowitzky are essentially acting as Jon's Defense Lawyers if you have watched the Hearings and Press...That is part of what bugs me...Paid Corrupt Shills for a guy who is obviously gaming the system Via cutting edge doping

 

[member 3289]

the lack of evidence that tbol is positive forever

This is not quite true.

The fact is, we don't have a lot of evidence for either side, so we can't go around suspending people for 4 years until we can conclusively determine turinabol's detection window.

We are talking about ending the career of a very possibly innocent man.

 

[Splinty]

This is not quite true.

Show me the evidence.
I did a lit search trying to find any.
There's not any other Novitzky says he called some people.

The fact is, we don't have a lot of evidence for either side, so we can't go around suspending people for 4 years until we can conclusively determine turinabol's detection window.

We have a positive test. That test is consistent with use. There's evidence for that. Lots of it. An entire testing industry is built on that. Now you have to show me otherwise. It doesn't exist.

If a drug makes testing impossible then you just eliminated yourself from competition until methodology can appropriately address the fact that you tainted your blood supply for...ever?

 

[ShatsBassoon]

“I don’t under$tand why they couldn’t ju$t do thi$ in Nevada,” Rogan said. “I gue$$ they’re on vacation or $ome (expletive). That’$ crazy. Figure it out. Let’$ make a phone call. I$n’t there one person? One per$on $hould $ay, ‘OK, i$ it, to the be$t of your knowledge, ab$olutely from the original te$t?’ ‘Ye$ $ir, by all the $cience, we’ll $ubmit the $cience, $how you the $cience, tell you the number.’ ‘OK, let him fight.'”

Rogan said if CSAC director Andy Foster is on board with giving Jones a license based on the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency not ruling Jones’ test a violation due to a belief it’s a residual “pulsing” effect from his previous positive test, then he can be on board.

“Andy Fo$ter – I have a great deal of respect for backdoor payments,” Rogan said. “Very proactive with weight-cutting, very proactive with weight cla$$e$, very proactive with a lot of the rule$. He’$ really good at being paid off an $elling fictional narrative$. If he believe$ this is $cientifically proven to be the $ame exact thing that he’$ already been punished for, I agree with him, for a price. That guy know$ what the (expletive) he’$ talking about. $ame with (Jeff) Novitzky, same with all the other people $aying it’$ legit.”