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Banchan

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This has got to be the most outrageous piece of American legal history I have ever seen. Just for the sheer volume of people all wrongfully convicted of a hideous crime from the same DA who never paid a price for ruining so many lives.

How could a nation such as America allow 36 people become wrongfully convicted of child molestation of their own children and the DA who was behind this went on to have a very successful career until he retired? Even after it was revealed what he had done he was re-elected 6 times.

The DA's name is Ed Jagels. He sent a man to prison for 25 years for stealing a pack of donuts retail value of less than $1 because he enforced a 3 strikes tough on crime policy. The man had two very many decades old convictions but was clean for the last 20 until he stole the donuts.

Jagels never apologized or felt he did anything wrong for the 36 false convictions. These people spent more than a decade in prison as child sex predators and they were innocent. The 34 convictions were found to be false and the remaining two were never cleared because they had died in prison serving their sentence and never got any justice! (And i rarely use exclamation points!!)

 

Banchan

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There's a part in the film showing a bunch of these couples getting their sentences read like 80 years 200 years etc. and I just could not stop laughing because I was like; this has to be fake. So I googled the cases only to find they absolutely happened and it's horrifying.
 

Banchan

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Slavery was messed up but that was a social climate motivated type of laws. People saw that as ok because they thought race made people different.

The kern county child molestation cases were about the abuse of the legal system that sent 36 innocent people to prison.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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The DA's name is Ed Jagels. He sent a man to prison for 25 years for stealing a pack of donuts retail value of less than $1 because he enforced a 3 strikes tough on crime policy.
You should be blaming the people who made the law to begin with.
 

Banchan

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It's so unbelievable it must be watched. Cliffs would seem nonsensical. It's a good watch it was directed by Sean Penn. It's like making a murderer.
 

Banchan

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Yes thats why i removed it.

That DA was caught speeding an uninsured car and the police did not give him a citation.

The gross disrespect of the law by those who enforce it is so outrageous in this film its not funny.
 

Banchan

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Jim Crow wasn't slavery.
Both slavery and jim crow were products of the social climate. It seems like an injustice now but at the time they were happening it didn't seem like injustice to the broader part of the population whomit didn't effect negatively.

What happened to the people in this film was different.
 

Filthy

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Both slavery and jim crow were products of the social climate. It seems like an injustice now but at the time they were happening it didn't seem like injustice to the broader part of the population whomit didn't effect negatively.

What happened to the people in this film was different.
you described exactly what happened to the people in the film, and the victims of actual 'witch trials'.
 

Banchan

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you described exactly what happened to the people in the film, and the victims of actual 'witch trials'.
I don't see the connection.
In this case the DA sent people to prison for crimes they did not commit which helped his career greatly.

Jim Crow were laws enacted during a time when the country thought segragation was acceptable.
 
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Filthy

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I don't see the connection.
In this case the DA sent people to prison for crimes they did not commit which helped his career greatly.

Jim Crow were laws enacted during a time when the country thought segragation was acceptable.
how many times do you think that a DA, under Jim Crow laws, sent people to prison for crimes they did not commit - which helped the DA's career greatly? How many of those people were executed or spent the rest of their life in prison?

is that number more or less than 36?
 

Yossarian

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how many times do you think that a DA, under Jim Crow laws, sent people to prison for crimes they did not commit - which helped the DA's career greatly? How many of those people were executed or spent the rest of their life in prison?

is that number more or less than 36?
About three fiddy
 

Banchan

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how many times do you think that a DA, under Jim Crow laws, sent people to prison for crimes they did not commit - which helped the DA's career greatly? How many of those people were executed or spent the rest of their life in prison?

is that number more or less than 36?
I thought the existence of those laws were bad enough that I had never thought that people were lying on top of that and sending people to prison but it makes total sense that it would happen given the social climate at the time. My mind just exploded.
 

kneeblock

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This has got to be the most outrageous piece of American legal history I have ever seen. Just for the sheer volume of people all wrongfully convicted of a hideous crime from the same DA who never paid a price for ruining so many lives.

How could a nation such as America allow 36 people become wrongfully convicted of child molestation of their own children and the DA who was behind this went on to have a very successful career until he retired? Even after it was revealed what he had done he was re-elected 6 times.

The DA's name is Ed Jagels. He sent a man to prison for 25 years for stealing a pack of donuts retail value of less than $1 because he enforced a 3 strikes tough on crime policy. The man had two very many decades old convictions but was clean for the last 20 until he stole the donuts.

Jagels never apologized or felt he did anything wrong for the 36 false convictions. These people spent more than a decade in prison as child sex predators and they were innocent. The 34 convictions were found to be false and the remaining two were never cleared because they had died in prison serving their sentence and never got any justice! (And i rarely use exclamation points!!)

Just finished watching. Infuriating. I'm very curious how the DA targeted the individuals he chose. I've certainly known several people who got railroaded, but it's amazing how dirty the whole system in Bakersfield had to be to literally go round up essentially random people.
 

Robbie Hart

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This has got to be the most outrageous piece of American legal history I have ever seen. Just for the sheer volume of people all wrongfully convicted of a hideous crime from the same DA who never paid a price for ruining so many lives.

How could a nation such as America allow 36 people become wrongfully convicted of child molestation of their own children and the DA who was behind this went on to have a very successful career until he retired? Even after it was revealed what he had done he was re-elected 6 times.

The DA's name is Ed Jagels. He sent a man to prison for 25 years for stealing a pack of donuts retail value of less than $1 because he enforced a 3 strikes tough on crime policy. The man had two very many decades old convictions but was clean for the last 20 until he stole the donuts.

Jagels never apologized or felt he did anything wrong for the 36 false convictions. These people spent more than a decade in prison as child sex predators and they were innocent. The 34 convictions were found to be false and the remaining two were never cleared because they had died in prison serving their sentence and never got any justice! (And i rarely use exclamation points!!)

Needed to hit those conviction targets.....can’t really blame the guy, I blame society not him. They just need to calm down and let him work his magic.
 

Hauler

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I thought the existence of those laws were bad enough that I had never thought that people were lying on top of that and sending people to prison but it makes total sense that it would happen given the social climate at the time. My mind just exploded.
 

Banchan

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Oh do i feel like a embarassing pumpkin brain.
I remember these threads about how to improve the situation for black americans would come up all the time at sherdog and black users would always talk about the psychological effects slavery and jim crow had on people still lingering and I did not get it at all.

Thank u for splainin' Filthy @Filthy . Most people just get mad and start calling me names, but i learned something very important from you yesterday.
 

Banchan

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Just finished watching. Infuriating. I'm very curious how the DA targeted the individuals he chose. I've certainly known several people who got railroaded, but it's amazing how dirty the whole system in Bakersfield had to be to literally go round up essentially random people.
I think one part is that these were poor working class white people. Im not sure if there was a time that this was a demographic that was heavily marginalized in american society but the fact that they wouldn't have been able to afford a proper legal defense against the charges may have been part of why they got targeted.
 

kneeblock

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I think one part is that these were poor working class white people. Im not sure if there was a time that this was a demographic that was heavily marginalized in american society but the fact that they wouldn't have been able to afford a proper legal defense against the charges may have been part of why they got targeted.
Poor people period have always been easier targets, but what I wonder is why the particular people? Did they just open a phone book?
 

Filthy

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This has got to be the most outrageous piece of American legal history I have ever seen. Just for the sheer volume of people all wrongfully convicted of a hideous crime from the same DA who never paid a price for ruining so many lives.

How could a nation such as America allow 36 people become wrongfully convicted of child molestation of their own children and the DA who was behind this went on to have a very successful career until he retired? Even after it was revealed what he had done he was re-elected 6 times.

The DA's name is Ed Jagels. He sent a man to prison for 25 years for stealing a pack of donuts retail value of less than $1 because he enforced a 3 strikes tough on crime policy. The man had two very many decades old convictions but was clean for the last 20 until he stole the donuts.

Jagels never apologized or felt he did anything wrong for the 36 false convictions. These people spent more than a decade in prison as child sex predators and they were innocent. The 34 convictions were found to be false and the remaining two were never cleared because they had died in prison serving their sentence and never got any justice! (And i rarely use exclamation points!!)

you should look in to how lax the laws are on prosecutorial misconduct, and how difficult it is to prosecute or sanction dirty DAs - like Harry Connick Sr (the singer's dad)