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Rambo John J

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this will be spun six ways to sunday
beware the brainwash

If this was arson that is fucked up...I would think that building would have a great anti fire plan and system
 

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I would think that building would have a great anti fire plan and system
I was thinking about this. I don't know if those old buildings are retrofitted to current codes. I'm assuming not as it would take away from the original beauty.

Nobody wants to see a bunch of sprinkler heads blocking the view of the Sistine Chapel's ceiling.
 

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I would think that building would have a great anti fire plan and system
Its iconic twin bell towers remained visibly intact. Paris officials said the world famous 18th century organ that boasts 8,000 pipes also appeared to have survived, along with other treasures inside the cathedral, after a plan to safeguard heritage was quickly put into action.
Turns out God took care of the important shit against he incompetence of man Filthy @Filthy
 

Andrewsimar Palhardass

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under construction?

Insurance Fraud always an option
While this isn't an unreasonable speculation when an old gas station burns down, this is the Notre Dame Cathedral. It's going to be one of the most investigated fires in this century. The state owns the building, so they would have had to burn down one of their most prominent tourist attractions, a building that is literally priceless, to make insurance money. This is a ridiculous assertion.
 

Rambo John J

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While this isn't an unreasonable speculation when an old gas station burns down, this is the Notre Dame Cathedral. It's going to be one of the most investigated fires in this century. The state owns the building, so they would have had to burn down one of their most prominent tourist attractions, a building that is literally priceless, to make insurance money. This is a ridiculous assertion.
it is an option
that is all I said, and the investigation should be on the level and non corrupted

sometimes the renovation cost and scope outweighs a full rebuild...could be a rouge agent or individual taking it upon themselves...or could be multiple folks for one reason or another...I never said the "state", you did...lots of moving pieces on a renovation job of that size and lots of potential suspects or possibilities

Nothing is ridiculous IMO...everything should be on the table

Fraudulent fire is quite common, and I personally don't think the size or structure can eliminate that possibility in any way.

I would say it if it was fraudulent fire it would not be for monetary gain...more likely to ensure a stronger rebuild if the old wood or substructure was not as strong as desired...construction is rife with fraud
 
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Andrewsimar Palhardass

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it is an option
that is all I said and the investigation should be on the level and non corrupted

sometimes the renovation cost and scope outweighs a full rebuild...could be a rouge agent or individual taking it upon themselves...or could be multiple folks for one reason or another...I never said the "state", you did...lots of moving pieces on a renovation job of that size and lots of potential suspects or possibilities

Nothing is ridiculous IMO...everything should be on the table

Fraudulent fire is quite common and I personally don't think the size or structure can eliminate that possibility in any way.

I would say it if it was fraudulent fire it would not be for monetary gain...more likely to ensure a stronger rebuild if the old wood or substructure was not as strong as desired...construction is rife with fraud
One of these days Yellowstone is going to go off and thousands of internet sleuths' last thoughts are going to be "I wonder who makes money off of this? Could be arson imo."
 

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One of these days Yellowstone is going to go off and thousands of internet sleuths' last thoughts are going to be "I wonder who makes money off of this? Could be arson imo."
zero documented cases of Geyser/Volcanic Fraud...very different thing than considering the possibility of a Fire being started intentionally by a human/humans

pretty silly comparison

I merely suggest that the all possibilities should be on the table and an honest investigator would do the exact same.

Could it be an accidental fire? Absolutely
Could be an intentional fire? Absolutely
 

Andrewsimar Palhardass

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zero documented cases of Geyser/Volcanic Fraud...very different thing than considering the possibility of a Fire being started intentionally by a human/humans

pretty silly comparison

I merely suggest that the all possibilities should be on the table and an honest investigator would do the exact same.

Could it be an accidental fire? Absolutely
Could be an intentional fire? Absolutely
I was clearly exaggerating.
 

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While this isn't an unreasonable speculation when an old gas station burns down, this is the Notre Dame Cathedral. It's going to be one of the most investigated fires in this century. The state owns the building, so they would have had to burn down one of their most prominent tourist attractions, a building that is literally priceless, to make insurance money. This is a ridiculous assertion.
Lol good post.
 

Rambo John J

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I was clearly exaggerating.
somebody would suggest what you exaggerated about I reckon, but I get you were not entirely serious about the yellowstone fire

I do think if it was by chance a fire set on purpose the gain would be structural strength and possibly a better and faster renovation and not Monetary.

or could be just some guy left a torch on or tossed a cigarette down in the wrong spot

Bummer either way, place looks amazing
 
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Andrewsimar Palhardass

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I do think if it was by chance a fire set on purpose the gain would be structural strength and possibly a better and faster renovation and not Monetary.
Setting fire to it to then rebuild it stronger is counterintuitive. Limestone changes chemically when it's heated. They would have risked potentially having to completely rebuild the cathedral. You can't control a fire very well. I just think we need to look at what is most likely, and an accidental fire or intentional arson by an asshole are substantially more likely and make much more sense than what we are discussing.
 

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Setting fire to it to then rebuild it stronger is counterintuitive. Limestone changes chemically when it's heated. They would have risked potentially having to completely rebuild the cathedral. You can't control a fire very well. I just think we need to look at what is most likely, and an accidental fire or intentional arson by an asshole are substantially more likely and make much more sense than what we are discussing.
Fair enough but if you are not on the Job there then it is impossible to have the details on what was going on with the weakened structure and renovation...a spire is a tricky thing to work on and at some point things can be too far gone to properly/safely fix

As far as the investigation, of course lets let the investigators/experts cover all angles and possibilities.

I merely suggested Fraud as a possibility and you said it was a "ridiculous assertion", I disagreed...feel free to stop discussing at any time.
 

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While this isn't an unreasonable speculation when an old gas station burns down, this is the Notre Dame Cathedral. It's going to be one of the most investigated fires in this century. The state owns the building, so they would have had to burn down one of their most prominent tourist attractions, a building that is literally priceless, to make insurance money. This is a ridiculous assertion.
One of these days Yellowstone is going to go off and thousands of internet sleuths' last thoughts are going to be "I wonder who makes money off of this? Could be arson imo."
You're catching on. Behind every tree is a CTer it seems. Captain obvious tells me it's going to be one of 3 things.

1. Arson
2. Contractor caused
3. Electrical
 

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Did the hunchback make it out ok?

6:05 p.m.

Victor Hugo’s novel “The Hunchback of Notre Dame” has rocketed to the top of the bestseller list of Amazon in France in its original version.

Meanwhile, the English translation of the 1831 novel is also number one in sales in the category of historical fiction.

Telling the story of Quasimodo, a deformed bell-ringer of the cathedral in the 15th century, the book helped rally support for Notre Dame’s massive renovation later in the 19th century.
 

Rambo John J

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I suggest Fraud is a possibility and wig out...guarantee that it is on the investigators list of things to investigate and consider

Fraud could be a single individual and thus not a conspiracy of any kind

Of course it could be, and likely is accident or intentional for destructions sake...I never said those were not possibilities also.
 

Andrewsimar Palhardass

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Fair enough but if you are not on the Job there then it is impossible to have the details on what was going on with the weakened structure and renovation...a spire is a tricky thing to work on and at some point things can be too far gone to properly/safely fix
… So you burn the shit down.
 

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Is it me or is the hysteria over a burning building a tad disproportionate?