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BeardOfKnowledge

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It sums it all up
Yet rest assured Canadian people are still going to find justification for this obvious lack of respect and turn it around to fantasize that Canada still matters. Duh.

Trudeau Sr, Chretien, Mulroney Harper all those commanded a ton more respect than that sorry twat.
People can say what they want about Scheer, but unlike either Trump or Trudeau, he comes off as a statesman.
 

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Trudeau pinata 'just in fun'
The Canadian Press - Jul 2, 2019 / 4:44 pm | Story: 260238

Photo: Rob Newell
The co-owner of a bar in central Alberta doesn't regret hanging up a large pinata of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on the Canada Day weekend.

Rob Newell admits, however, that in retrospect securing it with a rope around Trudeau's neck at Burgundy's Bar and Stage in Red Deer could have been done differently.

"The only downfall was for structural reasons we had to Zip-Tie the rope around his neck because someone would hit it once, it would have fallen," Newell said Tuesday.

The pinata idea was sound, he said, and customers in the bar got a kick out of it.

"We were putting together the Canada Day party and I said it'd be funny to make a Justin Trudeau pinata. We filled it with money, candy and little notes of things he promised. It was all just in fun," he said.

"It's no surprise that people in Alberta don't like the guy, so I knew it would get some traction."

Newell said if Trudeau came into his bar, he'd be served just like any other customer. "I don't hate the guy."

Finding a pinata of the prime minister wasn't easy, so Newell made it himself, he said.

He said he isn't surprised by the online backlash, but noted there have been more bitter protests against the Trudeau government.

He pointed to a convoy of big rigs from Western Canada that drove to Ottawa in protest of a perceived lack of federal support for the oil and gas industry.

"I saw kids carrying signs with Trudeau on fire, and I thought that's a little intense," Newell said. "There's a lot more going on than a pinata at a party."
 

Freeloading Rusty

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Trudeau pinata 'just in fun'
The Canadian Press - Jul 2, 2019 / 4:44 pm | Story: 260238

Photo: Rob Newell
The co-owner of a bar in central Alberta doesn't regret hanging up a large pinata of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on the Canada Day weekend.

Rob Newell admits, however, that in retrospect securing it with a rope around Trudeau's neck at Burgundy's Bar and Stage in Red Deer could have been done differently.

"The only downfall was for structural reasons we had to Zip-Tie the rope around his neck because someone would hit it once, it would have fallen," Newell said Tuesday.

The pinata idea was sound, he said, and customers in the bar got a kick out of it.

"We were putting together the Canada Day party and I said it'd be funny to make a Justin Trudeau pinata. We filled it with money, candy and little notes of things he promised. It was all just in fun," he said.

"It's no surprise that people in Alberta don't like the guy, so I knew it would get some traction."

Newell said if Trudeau came into his bar, he'd be served just like any other customer. "I don't hate the guy."

Finding a pinata of the prime minister wasn't easy, so Newell made it himself, he said.

He said he isn't surprised by the online backlash, but noted there have been more bitter protests against the Trudeau government.

He pointed to a convoy of big rigs from Western Canada that drove to Ottawa in protest of a perceived lack of federal support for the oil and gas industry.

"I saw kids carrying signs with Trudeau on fire, and I thought that's a little intense," Newell said. "There's a lot more going on than a pinata at a party."
Finally a production contribution to the thread.
 

Freeloading Rusty

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Disgusting.

‘Protest papers’ lay out CSIS ties to oil sector — but redactions fuel mistrust
A trove of newly released documents pull back the curtain on the working relationship between Canada’s spy agency, the oil industry and its regulator.

But the view remained obscured Monday, with many of the more than 8,000 pages of documents released by the B.C. Civil Liberties Association heavily redacted — fuelling mistrust among those who allege the Canadian Security Intelligence Service broke the law by spying on peaceful environmental protesters.

The documentation and the fierce debate around it further reinforced the battle lines between the country’s energy sector and the protest movement, on the eve of the construction of the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion — a controversial project that is expected to be the subject of heated protests during this construction season.

CSIS has maintained that it has not acted outside of its mandate and its actions were “reasonable and necessary.”

That claim — and the reassurances of analysts that accumulated information was likely a function of the spy agency’s mandate — has done little to assuage the frustrations of those who believe that CSIS is in bed with the country’s energy sector.

“If CSIS (Canadian Security Intelligence Service) claims it wasn’t tracking conservation groups in B.C., then why did they collect thousands of pages of files on groups who engaged in peaceful advocacy and protest?” asked Meghan McDermott, BCCLA staff counsel at a news conference Monday.
CSIS collected info on peaceful protests of Indigenous groups, environmentalists: documents
Canada’s spy service routinely welcomed reports from the energy industry about perceived threats, and kept such information in its files in case it might prove useful later, newly disclosed documents reveal.

The Canadian Security Intelligence Service is supposed to retain only information that is “strictly necessary” to do its job, and the spy agency is now facing questions about whether it collected and hung on to material about groups or people who posed no real threat.

Details of the CSIS practices are emerging in a case mounted by the British Columbia Civil Liberties Association in the Federal Court of Canada.


In a February 2014 complaint to the CSIS watchdog, the Security Intelligence Review Committee, the association alleged the spy service overstepped its legal authority by monitoring environmentalists opposed to Enbridge’s now-abandoned Northern Gateway pipeline proposal.

It also accused CSIS of sharing information about the opponents with the National Energy Board and petroleum industry companies, effectively deterring people from voicing their opinions and associating with environmental groups.

The review committee dismissed the civil liberties association’s complaint in 2017, prompting the association to ask the Federal Court to revisit the outcome.

In the process, more than 8,000 pages of once-secret material — including heavily redacted transcripts of closed-door hearings — have become public, providing a glimpse into the review committee’s deliberations.


During one hearing, a CSIS official whose identity is confidential told the committee that information volunteered by energy companies was put in a spy service database.

“It is not actionable. It just sits there,” the CSIS official said. “But should something happen, should violence erupt, then we will go back to this and be able to see that we had the information ? it is just information that was given to us, and we need to log it.

“Should something happen after and we hadn’t logged it, then we are at fault for not keeping the information.”

The review committee heard from several witnesses and examined hundreds of documents in weighing the civil liberties association’s complaint.


The watchdog concluded CSIS collected some information about peaceful anti-petroleum groups, but only incidentally in the process of investigating legitimate threats to projects such as oil pipelines.

Advocacy and environmental groups Leadnow, the Dogwood Initiative and the Council of Canadians are mentioned in the thousands of pages of CSIS operational reports scrutinized by the review committee.

But the committee’s report said that CSIS’s activities did not stray into surveillance of organizations engaged in lawful advocacy, protest or dissent.

A CSIS witness testified the spy service “is not in the business of investigating environmentalists because they are advocating for an environmental cause, period.”

Still, the review committee urged CSIS to ensure it was keeping only “strictly necessary” information, as spelled out in the law governing the spy service.


The civil liberties association told the committee of a chilling effect for civil society groups from the spy service’s information-gathering as well as comments by then-natural resources minister Joe Oliver denouncing “environmental and other radical groups.”

One CSIS witness told the committee that Oliver’s statement did not flow from information provided by the spy agency. “As a service, we never found out where he was coming from, where he got this information or who had briefed him,” the unnamed CSIS official said. “So we’re not sure where he got it. But it wasn’t from us.”

The review committee found CSIS did not share information about the environmental groups in question with the National Energy Board or the petroleum industry.

The association wants the Federal Court to take a second look, given that CSIS created more than 500 operational reports relevant to the committee’s inquiry.


“The main impression one draws from the (committee) report is ‘nothing to see here, look away,’ when in fact there is a lot to see here,” said Paul Champ, a lawyer for the association.

Dozens of censored CSIS records say the reporting was further to “the Service’s efforts in assessing the threat environment and the potential for threat-related violence stemming from (redacted) protests/demonstrations.”

Some of the documents reveal that CSIS itself is questioning whether it is going too far, noting that the spy service is “pressing on the limitations of our mandate.”

The notion that information on some groups or individuals was gathered incidentally is “cold comfort to people whose names might end up in the databanks of Canada’s intelligence service simply because they expressed a political opinion on Facebook, signed a petition, or attended a protest,” Champ said.

One document refers to the Dogwood Initiative as a “non-profit, Canadian environmental organization that was established in 1999 ‘to help communities and First Nations gain more control of the land and resources around them so they can be managed in a way that does not rob future generations for short-term corporate gain.”’

The passages before and after the description are blacked out.

“This court case will take some time to play out,” Champ said. “Right now, we are focused on getting access to as much information as possible so we can properly make our main arguments about how these CSIS activities violate the law.”
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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The issue is sharing it with private companies.
In some instances the national interests and those of private companies are one in the same. Like it or not, oil is one of those instances. It's also worth noting that according to reports it was the private companies doing the sharing, not the other way around.
 
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@Lars texted me today and said that every night before he goes to sleep he prays to Moses (Lars is Jewish) that the Liberals/JT Money get re-elected in October
 

Freeloading Rusty

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In some instances the national interests and those of private companies are one in the same. Like it or not, oil is one of those instances. It's also worth noting that according to reports it was the private companies doing the sharing, not the other way around.
CSIS isnt mandated to protect Canada's national interests and in no way should it be info sharing with privatized companies.
 
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CSIS isnt mandated to protect Canada's national interests and in no way should it be info sharing with privatized companies.
So if Bruce Nuclear calls them and says a foreign firm is stealing sensitive technology and they provide the name of the firm and acts of espionage they have uncovered, CSIS should not take part in “sharing” this info?

I only ask because BeardOfKnowledge @ConorMcGregorsBeard says the companies were giving CSIS the information, not the other way around.


Also build the fucking pipeline
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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CSIS isnt mandated to protect Canada's national interests and in no way should it be info sharing with privatized companies.
The article you posted said there were acting on info given to them by the privatized company.

Canada’s spy service routinely welcomed reports from the energy industry about perceived threats


It's also kind of hard to entertain that CSIS isn't mandated to protect Canada's national interests.

Informant: "Hey, this guy is planning to bomb a bunch of pipelines and potentially cripple the economy."
CSIS: "Sorry, that's a privately owned pipeline. Our hands are tied."
 
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The article you posted said there were acting on info given to them by the privatized company.



It's also kind of hard to entertain that CSIS isn't mandated to protect Canada's national interests.

Informant: "Hey, this guy is planning to bomb a bunch of pipelines and potentially cripple the economy."
CSIS: "Sorry, that's a privately owned pipeline. Our hands are tied."
Well the bombing would be a security threat so easily falls within their mandate (defence of national security) bruv

Freeloading Rusty @MC Gusto build the fucking pipeline!!!
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Well the bombing would be a security threat so easily falls within their mandate (defence of national security) bruv
It both falls under literal physical security, and national economic security. The whole intelligence scene weirds me the fuck out, but this is a non-story being used to ramp up anti-pipeline advocates. Dog whistle politics at its finest.
 
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It both falls under literal physical security, and national economic security. The whole intelligence scene weirds me the fuck out, but this is a non-story being used to ramp up anti-pipeline advocates. Dog whistle politics at its finest.
I kno bruuuuv, I’m super super smart!