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Freeloading Rusty

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I only ask because BeardOfKnowledge @ConorMcGregorsBeard says the companies were giving CSIS the information, not the other way around.
To what I have seen, according to the accusations, BeardOfKnowledge @ConorMcGregorsBeard is incorrect in his statement.

The article you posted said there were acting on info given to them by the privatized company.
I assumed anyone who would have responded had heard about the news story. It was all anyone was talking about yesterday on most Canadian news sites. Maybe I picked a shitty article to post, the intention was discussion on the topic, not the quality of the article.

Good ol' assumptions.


It's also kind of hard to entertain that CSIS isn't mandated to protect Canada's national interests.

Informant: "Hey, this guy is planning to bomb a bunch of pipelines and potentially cripple the economy."
CSIS: "Sorry, that's a privately owned pipeline. Our hands are tied."
Wait, nowhere anywhere did it say any of the info shared was actually a threat to national security, certainly not a bomb threat against a pipeline. Info shared on those associated with groups protesting the pipeline is a far stretch from info on a specific threat against a pipeline. Feel free to show me if you seen info indicating the information share, both ways, was a specific bomb threat or anything similar.

Well the bombing would be a security threat so easily falls within their mandate (defence of national security) bruv
CSIS is not supposed to have any law enforcement power, they are a data collection and spy agency. If they find a specific credible threat, they pass it onto the RCMP, not a private oil company. The pipeline isnt build so its not like they had to inform the company of an impending bomb on site... duh

*edit, CSIS has some but very minimal enforcement power created with controversy recently, but those enforcement powers wouldn't pertain to this situation so still no reason to inform an oil company of a hypothetical bomb threat against a pipe line that has not yet been built.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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I assumed anyone who would have responded had heard about the news story. It was all anyone was talking about yesterday on most Canadian news sites. Maybe I picked a shitty article to post, the intention was discussion on the topic, not the quality of the article.

Good ol' assumptions.
The news coverage I heard about it yesterday corroborated the quote I pulled from your posted article.


Wait, nowhere anywhere did it say any of the info shared was actually a threat to national security, certainly not a bomb threat against a pipeline. Info shared on those associated with groups protesting the pipeline is a far stretch from info on a specific threat against a pipeline. Feel free to show me if you seen info indicating the information share, both ways, was a specific bomb threat or anything similar.
I was making an analogy pointing out the absurdity of the idea that they were acting beyond their purview.

And no, CSIS is not supposed to have any enforcement power, they are a data collection and spy agency.
Who said otherwise?

If they find a specific credible threat, they pass it onto the RCMP, not a private oil company.
From anything I've heard/read it wasn't a credible threat so nothing was passed along to anyone.
 

Freeloading Rusty

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The news coverage I heard about it yesterday corroborated the quote I pulled from your posted article.
Allegations are, the findings of spying on activist groups by CSIS were shared with the NEB and petroleum companies.

B.C. Civil Liberties Association releases Protest Papers showing CSIS surveillance of pipeline activists
The original complaint alleged that the Dogwood Initiative, ForestEthics (now Stand.earth), Sierra Club B.C., and Leadnow.ca—all of which opposed the Northern Gateway project—and the Indigenous Idle No More movement were being tracked by federal agencies.

Moreover, the complaint alleged that the findings were shared with the National Energy Board and petroleum companies.
'This isn't about national security': Civil liberties group publishes CSIS reports related to alleged spying
The civil liberties association first challenged CSIS' actions in 2014 with a complaint to SIRC alleging the agency was spying on pipeline opponents. The association further claimed the information was being shared with the National Energy Board and the petroleum industry.

From anything I've heard/read it wasn't a credible threat so nothing was passed along to anyone.
So non credible threats were shared with the oil companies.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Allegations are, the findings of spying on activist groups by CSIS were shared with the NEB and petroleum companies.

B.C. Civil Liberties Association releases Protest Papers showing CSIS surveillance of pipeline activists


'This isn't about national security': Civil liberties group publishes CSIS reports related to alleged spying




So non credible threats were shared with the oil companies.
Those are the allegations, not what happened. Again, from an article posted by you:

The review committee found CSIS did not share information about the environmental groups in question with the NEB or the petroleum industry.
 
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The pipeline isnt build so its not like they had to inform the company of an impending bomb on site... duh
And whose fault is that buddy?!??! Why you always shutting down my pipeline?!?!?

I never said CSIS has law enforcement abilities. I am aware they work hand in hand with the RCMP on issues of domestic terrorism.

And there are many pipelines that could be bombed. Here are our oil pipelines:

 

Freeloading Rusty

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And there are many pipelines that could be bombed. Here are our oil pipelines:

Many pipelines yes, but the examples of CSIS over stepping and playing into the hands of private corporations are pretty specific in scope.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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This is an arrogant move by trudeau
It's funny. Earlier this summer Doug Ford fired his chief advisor, the advisor went back the next day to get his shit out of his office and it was a 4 day news story about "He didn't really quit!" But not only is this barely being reported, everyone is pretending like it wasn't very clearly pre-planned.
 

jason73

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It's funny. Earlier this summer Doug Ford fired his chief advisor, the advisor went back the next day to get his shit out of his office and it was a 4 day news story about "He didn't really quit!" But not only is this barely being reported, everyone is pretending like it wasn't very clearly pre-planned.
He is back just in time for the election campaign