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@Splinty I asked my cousin (ex-Navy) about the firing of that captain. I noticed you had blindly defended the Navy's response while my cousin has supported the captain.

Here's what my cousin said:

I'm sure that was a last ditch effort to save his crew. He 100% had been pleading with his superiors and they did nothing. He did what he had to do. The same thing Teddy had to do in the Spanish American war and is now lauded for it while the Secretary of War Alger is known for incompetence.
 
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conor mcgregor nut hugger said:
@Splinty I asked my cousin (ex-Navy) about the firing of that captain. I noticed you had blindly defended the Navy's response while my cousin has supported the captain.

Here's what my cousin said:

I'm sure that was a last ditch effort to save his crew. He 100% had been pleading with his superiors and they did nothing. He did what he had to do. The same thing Teddy had to do in the Spanish American war and is now lauded for it while the Secretary of War Alger is known for incompetence.
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@Splinty I also asked my cousin about whether or not the guy was fired or just demoted as I didn't understand the enlisted/commissioned difference. It sucks because the guy had a bright future. Hard to think he'd risk throwing that away unless he felt it was necessary:

He technically was fired from his job as Captain of the Teddy (the usual next step after Commanding an aircraft carrier is an admiral)
 
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the thing about the firing of the Cpt Brozier is that the Navy heard his concern and decided that the OPSEC was worth letting sailors get sick and/or die. He decided he knew better and jumped the chain of command.

He's been removed from command, which means his career in the Navy is sunk.
 
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Mumbai hold the worlds largest slum (~1 million) and they’ve found cases in that population now. That’s going to be a shit show as well.
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Hard to imagine India getting more disgusting, but here we are
 
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ThatOneDude said:
Easy targets because of the lack of hygiene as well
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Don't be a fucking moron, those places have higher population centers, and are cleaner than those white trash trailer park backwoods incest riddled hillbilly states in this disgusting morbidly obese diabetes filled country we live in.
 
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the thing about the firing of the Cpt Brozier is that the Navy heard his concern and decided that the OPSEC was worth letting sailors get sick and/or die. He decided he knew better and jumped the chain of command.

He's been removed from command, which means his career in the Navy is sunk.
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Navy states he didn't tell his immediate boss that he was escalating who was on the same ship. Boss finds out from the news paper. Didn't CC that boss on the email even.

Navy was apparently already responding with supplies and a plan and when he blew up the chain via public email with a bunch of others on it, the Navy's response then looks like he caused it. That breaks the chain and makes others believe that the way to get things done is to go big and public.

His move will be popular with the enlisted who feel he was advocating for them. But if those above pieces are true, then its a huge no no and he has to be removed. You can't leave him in that job afterwards. He then advocated but created the appearance that no one was moving until he did what he did.That's not clear to me at this time.


If this guy wanted to get traction while maintaining his lane, he would have just CC'd the entire chain including his boss all the way up and the Office of the inspector general for an IG complaint. He would have pissed a lot of people off I'm sure, but he wouldn't need to be removed.
 
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Splinty said:
I didn't. If he didn't notify his boss he was wrong. That was my position.
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Lol @ you moving the goalposts after I call you out on your bullshit.

Splinty: The Navy captain was wrong!!!!!

CMNH: **points out how the captain may not have been wrong**

Splinty:
 
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conor mcgregor nut hugger said:
Lol @ you moving the goalposts after I call you out on your bullshit.

Splinty: The Navy captain was wrong!!!!!

CMNH: **points out how the captain may not have been wrong**

Splinty:
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Your'e such a dork trooll. Go enjoy your Sunday baiting someone else.

Nothing's changed...I've got the documents...days ago...
Splinty said:
Absolutely justified removal.
his boss was on the same ship as him. He did not alert his boss of any of his concerns or that he was sending this email over his boss's head.
He blew up the entire chain by ccing anybody and everybody that he could to make it as big a deal as possible. He also did so over unclassified email which is arguably an opsec issue since he's just blasting around how an entire carrier is suddenly non-operational.
There's heavy implication and reason to believe that he leaked the memo to the newspaper himself, given the newspaper it showed up in is where he is from.

In private industry you would regularly be removed for such things. And the military you've absolutely lost bearing and professionalism and would be removed for such a display.

This is not something the politic about. He was not being a whistleblower. He didn't even try the chain of command.
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You show me that he first went up his chain of command with no response, I will change my mind. To date, that's the official position and facts so far. With that as the background, you have to remove him if you're his boss.

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Splinty said:
Navy states he didn't tell his immediate boss that he was escalating who was on the same ship. Boss finds out from the news paper. Didn't CC that boss on the email even.

Navy was apparently already responding with supplies and a plan and when he blew up the chain via public email with a bunch of others on it, the Navy's response then looks like he caused it. That breaks the chain and makes others believe that the way to get things done is to go big and public.

His move will be popular with the enlisted who feel he was advocating for them. But if those above pieces are true, then its a huge no no and he has to be removed. You can't leave him in that job afterwards. He then advocated but created the appearance that no one was moving until he did what he did.That's not clear to me at this time.


If this guy wanted to get traction while maintaining his lane, he would have just CC'd the entire chain including his boss all the way up and the Office of the inspector general for an IG complaint. He would have pissed a lot of people off I'm sure, but he wouldn't need to be removed.
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Splinty said:
This guy was one of my attendings. He's probably one of the smartest people I've ever met in my entire life. You know how some people become an emergency doctor or some people becoming an internal medicine doctor? So he decided to do both. No biggie. Still works doing both.

He bought into what that New York City doctor is saying.


View: https://mobile.twitter.com/srrezaie/status/1245942292265029635


He's suggesting that the solution is high flow nasal cannula (lots of oxygen up front) and then only intubate when you have to. Still very subjective on when choosing to intubate. But all the nerds and the emergency medicine critical care world seem to be going this route and away from the ARDS route.
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My REAL dad was an ER doc and an orthopaedic surgeon then decided to live that anesthesia life. RIP

you could never measure up internet dad!

it’s why I resent u so
 
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conor mcgregor nut hugger said:
@Splinty I asked my cousin (ex-Navy) about the firing of that captain. I noticed you had blindly defended the Navy's response while my cousin has supported the captain.

Here's what my cousin said:

I'm sure that was a last ditch effort to save his crew. He 100% had been pleading with his superiors and they did nothing. He did what he had to do. The same thing Teddy had to do in the Spanish American war and is now lauded for it while the Secretary of War Alger is known for incompetence.
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Ship captains are fired for less all the time. There is essentially a zero tolerance policy for almost any incident, be it major or minor. That's just how the Navy rolls. The Captain knew that.
 
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