You know that group works with the WHO and that they're funded by Health Canada, right?
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You know it’s very easy for a charity to get a grant from health Canada, right?
I can be held criminally negligent. It is unlikely to happen because I'd have to meet that standard and that's not common in medicine.
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All I’m saying
@ConorMcGregorsBeard is that until the spreadsheets are made available to me, I am skeptics.
@ConorMcGregorsBeard is that until the spreadsheets are made available to me, I am skeptics.
I'm watching you turn into a CT'er right before my eyes.
I'll have to alert the Holyland to this troubling turn.
Just asking questions, eh?All I’m saying
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I just called my physician brother on the phone about this. He said “wtf? I’m putting the kids to bed stop trolling me.”
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I actually want to read these stats to evaluate them myself. I just can’t find them.
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Sounds your a privileged group, with special protections. Like a homosexual or a black handicapped midget.
I'm sure it's similar to the USA piece: Medical error—the third leading cause of death in the US
Under their model, if I give you an antibiotic for your sepsis and it doesn't cure you and you die, it's a "medical error".
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Interesting that such a flawed metric reveals the same flawed data in both our countries in sequential years (2015 and 2016)
Just so I'm understanding this correctly. You believe that a WHO not for profit affiliate, who is vetted by Health Canada is outright lying?
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What would you call it?
"Agree to disagree" amirite?
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Failed treatment
Not everyone responds the same way to the same conditions and medicines
Sometimes it’s too late for treatment to work
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Hey, if I could find their published numbers and they proved what they were saying I’d agree.
Listen me, you stop talking when I'm talking.
Also under their model if I give you exactly the standard of care for a heart attack exactly right and use a perfect check list protocol and you still die from your heart attack, it's a "medical error". That isn't an error. It's someone dying because they didn't respond to appropriate treatment.
I give you exactly the right antibiotics for your sepsis you still might die.
Then there's the real stuff where a patient is on the medical floor. They are decompensating. You have only so many ICU beds. You trial several interventions to not move them to the ICU or maybe not transfer to another hospital (there is harm in transport). You do your interventions, they are still going down, you then transfer them at that time because it isn't working. They die after transport. Maybe if you had transferred them an hour earlier they'd be alive. But also maybe you wasted a ton of money or killed them with the transport.
Regardless, none of the above is a "medical error".
Why don't you be a hero and ask them where they get their numbers from? I mean, it'll destroy the country, but then we can stop arguing on the internet.