Society Is Trump Guilty of Incitement?

[Freeloading Rusty]

You actually believe there are legal grounds to charge trump with inciting violence based on 3 or 4 sound bites throughout the course of his presidency?

And you support this, along with it's implications?

Lawyers are essentially throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.

Them goal posts keep moving and those logic traps keep being tripped over.


I never said I support the charges or think they will stick.

I disputed your claim Trump has never called for violence.. and here we are.

 

[member 1013]

such a smart post kaladin S

we are being played against each other

a perfect execution of divide and conquer

 

[kaladin stormblessed]

such a smart post kaladin S

we are being played against each other

a perfect execution of divide and conquer

Exaclty. You or shats or someone even said it on page 1 or 2 iirc. Yet inevitably, since we are all passionate about this stuff (which is cool since it's important), we end up fighting amongst ourselves and lose sight of the real problem, which imo, is both trump and biden. And almost every other corrupt mofo in congress lol

 

[Freeloading Rusty]

There was guns there they shot some windows out and WuT not

Let’s not forget about all those explosives and pipe bombs confiscated.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Exaclty. You or shats or someone even said it on page 1 or 2 iirc. Yet inevitably, since we are all passionate about this stuff (which is cool since it's important), we end up fighting amongst ourselves and lose sight of the real problem, which imo, is both trump and biden. And almost every other corrupt mofo in congress lol

My biggest concern is that impeachment is becoming the "Hey, maybe we can get rid of him this way" tool. It's a bell that can't be unrung and both sides get to use it.

 

[ShatsBassoon]

Them goal posts keep moving and those logic traps keep being tripped over.


I never said I support the charges or think they will stick.

I disputed your claim Trump has never called for violence.. and here we are.

That's a logical fallacy

 

[ShatsBassoon]

My biggest concern is that impeachment is becoming the "Hey, maybe we can get rid of him this way" tool. It's a bell that can't be unrung and both sides get to use it.

FALSE CLAIM: This claim has been disputed and has been removed for inciting violence. - L.

 

[Freeloading Rusty]

That's a logical fallacy

I’m starting to think earlier today was the first time you ever used the term and don’t fully understand it yet.

 

[member 1013]

Seriously @Freeloading Rusty and @ShatsBassoon I’m putting you both on time out busters

 

[Freeloading Rusty]

So much online bullying in this thread.

 

[member 1013]

So much online bullying in this thread.

That’s enough, mister!

 

[kaladin stormblessed]

My biggest concern is that impeachment is becoming the "Hey, maybe we can get rid of him this way" tool. It's a bell that can't be unrung and both sides get to use it.

Thats a great point. I hadn't even been considering how the first impeachment may impact someone's views on this second one

Personally, I think it was pretty black and white that his "perfect phone call" was blatant grounds for impeachment

But for someone who didn't see it that way, this second impeachment has the attached stigma which you mentioned

... oi. Makes me realize that changing someone from one side to the other on the first impeachment was very difficult due to the division the politicians have caused among citizens. And changing someone's opinion on this second impeachment is tenfold as difficult. Or basically, impossible.

And not worth burning bridges over since we all know what the outcome will be anyway )

 

[ShatsBassoon]

I’m starting to think earlier today was the first time you ever used the term and don’t fully understand it yet.

Let's rewind and see where we went off track. I claimed MSM is to blame and you responded with some proud boys shit. There's more validity to antifa being behind the capitol debacle than the proud boys, but trump supporters are an easy target no?
Now I don't really care what side you're on, but if you defend MSM then you're a lost cause imo.
Now I'm willing to say you are right, that trump did in fact say some aggressive things that he probably shouldn't have, but I'm not of the opinion that he is guilty of inciting a riot or violence.
I'm of the mind of people are accountable for their own actions.

That being said, if Trump is found guilty, then so should Pelosi for advocating BLM protests.

 

[Freeloading Rusty]

There's more validity to antifa being behind the capitol debacle than the proud boys, but trump supporters are an easy target no?

How many associated with Antifa have been arrested in connection to the riot?

How many associated with the Proud Boys have been arrested in connection with the riot?

Just so you do t have to waste your time looking it up....

1 Antifa dork

8 Proud Bois.. and many others under investigation.

Watch that video and then come back and honestly tell me you don’t think Proud Bois played an active role in organizing and participating in the riot.


View: https://youtu.be/n0MA5GjR6Zo

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Thats a great point. I hadn't even been considering how the first impeachment may impact someone's views on this second one

Personally, I think it was pretty black and white that his "perfect phone call" was blatant grounds for impeachment

But for someone who didn't see it that way, this second impeachment has the attached stigma which you mentioned

... oi. Makes me realize that changing someone from one side to the other on the first impeachment was very difficult due to the division the politicians have caused among citizens. And changing someone's opinion on this second impeachment is tenfold as difficult. Or basically, impossible.

And not worth burning bridges over since we all know what the outcome will be anyway )

My personal opinion is that it isn't that different from the Republicans impeaching Clinton over having an affair. "I don't like this guy, or how he's acting let's find something dubious to try to get rid of him." I'm not saying I think Trump was a good president, it's just that if you're going to impeach one guy for having an affair and another guy for some tweets, how do the guys who started a multi generational illegal war, or the guy who data mined the whole world, lied about it, and then exiled the whistleblower manage to escape unscathed? Presidents do horrible shit, and they do it all the fuckin time. If we're impeaching presidents every time they do something questionable, okay, cool. But it isn't exactly a great way to keep a society functioning.

 

[Tiiimmmaaayyy]

Are you arguing with me young man?!?!?

Keep calling me a young man and i might be inclined to agree with whatever you say.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

How many associated with Antifa have been arrested in connection to the riot?

How many associated with the Proud Boys have been arrested in connection with the riot?

Just so you do t have to waste your time looking it up....

1 Antifa dork

8 Proud Bois.. and many others under investigation.

Watch that video and then come back and honestly tell me you don’t think Proud Bois played an active role in organizing and participating in the riot.


View: https://youtu.be/n0MA5GjR6Zo

Look at those goal posts dance.

 

[kneeblock]

With all due respect, I also find it hard to be in the shoes of someone who sees this differently than you and I

But lets be real.. IQ level is not the cause of the difference as there are smart people here who see it differently

Dont get me wrong. I can't rationalize their stance. I'd bet it's due to the unfortunate tribal mentality that politicians on both sides of the aisle have caused. They've got us fighting ourselves politically

And calling them morons is a microcosm of that. We are family here. The only way to grow together is to have healthy discussions. And it's a long game. We cannot expect people to always immediately change their opinion and side with us, nor can they expect the same of us with them

But yeh, I just fear that there will never be progress as long as we as a global community, national community, or the mma community fight amongst ourselves despite the fact that we often remind ourselves of the most important things, which we all agree on: none of us are part of the in-crowd that holds power

Respectfully, all of this talk of unity and being opposed to fighting is very fashionable these days, as it was in 2009 and before that in 1993. There is a tendency for unity and can't we all just get along talk to somehow rise to the surface in the aftermath of the destruction that the Republican party wreaks on not just the country, but the world. Then we get into a lot of both sidesisms and false equivalencies when they truly aren't equivalent at all. American conservatism has been ideologically and programmatically poisonous since at least 1976, though you could probably date it back to 1964 or even the early 1930s when Hoover's disastrous economic policies worsened the pain of the Great Depression. The Democratic Party, when they weren't outright the party of slavery or segregation, largely congealed into a new form in the aftermath of the New Deal that they ended up mostly chucking out around 1973 in favor of being a basic center right party that gave only lip service to working people. Partisanship isn't driven by the party leadership so much as it reflects the most powerful coalitions holding the party institutions together.

Also, the idea that none of us is part of the in crowd that holds power is resignation. There are many loci of power in a society. Many of the loudest boosters of the prior administration going into 2016 or the latter day apologists for the chaos of the last few years on this forum are also the highest earners. They cloaked their concerns in logical sounding critique occasionally or in moral questions about the direction of society, but at the end of the day they were mostly concerned with their tax bill and their financial investments. They played the hand they were dealt in a sense. This is a capitalist society and everyone wants the best life available to them. There are other people on here who don't meet that income criteria, but wish they did and that wishful thinking keeps them defending policies that actively screw them as much as anyone. And they rightly feel they have no alternative sometimes because the Dems seldom present one that's persuasive. But there are other ways to take power besides buying your way into it. It's a lot harder, slower and more painful, but building movements and political parties that are truly representative of what working people need and want is achievable. It's been done at many times in history and in many parts of the world, though wealth has always fought back with all its might. But this is a forum devoted to watching people (consensually) fight. If there's any place where fighting should be not just tolerated, but encouraged, it's here. Obviously, just like the sport we watch, our fights have rules and so long as folks abide by them, everyone should be free to die on their hill. Some discussions can't help but be adversarial, especially when they deeply affect people's personal lives, though I will agree with you that intelligence has nothing to do with it.

 

[Freeloading Rusty]

That being said, if Trump is found guilty, then so should Pelosi for advocating BLM protests.

Again, I am not arguing against this. Nancy is a tool. I am not sure why it keeps getting brought up like it’s a counter point

 

[member 1013]

Keep calling me a young man and i might be inclined to agree with whatever you say.

I used to be like you , youthful and vibrant. I was full of life with pep in my step. “Young, dumb, and full of cum,” as my dad would say. Things are different now, I’ve mellowed out. You will too. Time has a way of seasoning you, like a well aged steak.

 

[member 1013]

Respectfully, all of this talk of unity and being opposed to fighting is very fashionable these days, as it was in 2009 and before that in 1993. There is a tendency for unity and can't we all just get along talk to somehow rise to the surface in the aftermath of the destruction that the Republican party wreaks on not just the country, but the world. Then we get into a lot of both sidesisms and false equivalencies when they truly aren't equivalent at all. American conservatism has been ideologically and programmatically poisonous since at least 1976, though you could probably date it back to 1964 or even the early 1930s when Hoover's disastrous economic policies worsened the pain of the Great Depression. The Democratic Party, when they weren't outright the party of slavery or segregation, largely congealed into a new form in the aftermath of the New Deal that they ended up mostly chucking out around 1973 in favor of being a basic center right party that gave only lip service to working people. Partisanship isn't driven by the party leadership so much as it reflects the most powerful coalitions holding the party institutions together.

Also, the idea that none of us is part of the in crowd that holds power is resignation. There are many loci of power in a society. Many of the loudest boosters of the prior administration going into 2016 or the latter day apologists for the chaos of the last few years on this forum are also the highest earners. They cloaked their concerns in logical sounding critique occasionally or in moral questions about the direction of society, but at the end of the day they were mostly concerned with their tax bill and their financial investments. They played the hand they were dealt in a sense. This is a capitalist society and everyone wants the best life available to them. There are other people on here who don't meet that income criteria, but wish they did and that wishful thinking keeps them defending policies that actively screw them as much as anyone. And they rightly feel they have no alternative sometimes because the Dems seldom present one that's persuasive. But there are other ways to take power besides buying your way into it. It's a lot harder, slower and more painful, but building movements and political parties that are truly representative of what working people need and want is achievable. It's been done at many times in history and in many parts of the world, though wealth has always fought back with all its might. But this is a forum devoted to watching people (consensually) fight. If there's any place where fighting should be not just tolerated, but encouraged, it's here. Obviously, just like the sport we watch, our fights have rules and so long as folks abide by them, everyone should be free to die on their hill. Some discussions can't help but be adversarial, especially when they deeply affect people's personal lives, though I will agree with you that intelligence has nothing to do with it.

Why do you hold what/how much people earn against them?

 

[kaladin stormblessed]

Respectfully, all of this talk of unity and being opposed to fighting is very fashionable these days, as it was in 2009 and before that in 1993. There is a tendency for unity and can't we all just get along talk to somehow rise to the surface in the aftermath of the destruction that the Republican party wreaks on not just the country, but the world. Then we get into a lot of both sidesisms and false equivalencies when they truly aren't equivalent at all. American conservatism has been ideologically and programmatically poisonous since at least 1976, though you could probably date it back to 1964 or even the early 1930s when Hoover's disastrous economic policies worsened the pain of the Great Depression. The Democratic Party, when they weren't outright the party of slavery or segregation, largely congealed into a new form in the aftermath of the New Deal that they ended up mostly chucking out around 1973 in favor of being a basic center right party that gave only lip service to working people. Partisanship isn't driven by the party leadership so much as it reflects the most powerful coalitions holding the party institutions together.

Also, the idea that none of us is part of the in crowd that holds power is resignation. There are many loci of power in a society. Many of the loudest boosters of the prior administration going into 2016 or the latter day apologists for the chaos of the last few years on this forum are also the highest earners. They cloaked their concerns in logical sounding critique occasionally or in moral questions about the direction of society, but at the end of the day they were mostly concerned with their tax bill and their financial investments. They played the hand they were dealt in a sense. This is a capitalist society and everyone wants the best life available to them. There are other people on here who don't meet that income criteria, but wish they did and that wishful thinking keeps them defending policies that actively screw them as much as anyone. And they rightly feel they have no alternative sometimes because the Dems seldom present one that's persuasive. But there are other ways to take power besides buying your way into it. It's a lot harder, slower and more painful, but building movements and political parties that are truly representative of what working people need and want is achievable. It's been done at many times in history and in many parts of the world, though wealth has always fought back with all its might. But this is a forum devoted to watching people (consensually) fight. If there's any place where fighting should be not just tolerated, but encouraged, it's here. Obviously, just like the sport we watch, our fights have rules and so long as folks abide by them, everyone should be free to die on their hill. Some discussions can't help but be adversarial, especially when they deeply affect people's personal lives, though I will agree with you that intelligence has nothing to do with it.

I think I actually agree with you

but I find myself in pretty gay "let's all be friends" type mood tonight lol

 

[MMAHAWK]

But there are other ways to take power besides buying your way into it.

Working on my list

Can I check off walking into the capitol to take selfies, shit on pelosi‘s desk, and make believe threaten AOC‘s life from a mile away?

 

[ShatsBassoon]

How many associated with Antifa have been arrested in connection to the riot?

How many associated with the Proud Boys have been arrested in connection with the riot?

Just so you do t have to waste your time looking it up....

1 Antifa dork

8 Proud Bois.. and many others under investigation.

Watch that video and then come back and honestly tell me you don’t think Proud Bois played an active role in organizing and participating in the riot.


View: https://youtu.be/n0MA5GjR6Zo

1 vs 8 arrests from hundreds of protesters. Wow. Like fucking really WOW! What a staggering differential!

Wow! Shut it down, case closed boys!

Did the guys being filmed in the bushes, changing into maga clothes get any media attention? ?

Was everybody arrested confirmed to be a proud boy or is that just alleged and the medias narrative?

Keep suckling at that MSM teet.
Orange man bad, child diddler Biden okay?

 

[member 1013]

1 vs 8 arrests from hundreds of protesters. Wow. Like fucking really WOW! What a staggering differential!

Wow! Shut it down, case closed boys!

Did the guys being filmed in the bushes, changing into maga clothes get any media attention? ?

Was everybody arrested confirmed to be a proud boy or is that just alleged and the medias narrative?

Keep suckling at that MSM teet.
Orange man bad, child diddler Biden okay?

Cool your jets, bud!