General Rittenhouse trial

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Rambo John J

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As the resident libertarian, I find it somewhat funny that your go to is the idea that people can't be trusted in their opinions and are easily manipulated idiots.

Maybe people just disagree with you and many think it's unhelpful and reckless to drive to a riot with an open carry ar15.
In this case even the facts support the open carry ar15 as the reason Rosenbaum singled out Rittenhouse as a rival and threat as well as the potential to lose said ar15 as justification to shoot Rosenbaum.


As for minority opinions driving gun laws,
It's true here and elsewhere.
it's also continually true when looking at federal polls asking if we should have "more" or "less" gun laws where the consensus is now the highest since 1992 awb that we need more fun control, all while we continually move to less.

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"we need more fun control"


I agree 100%
 

SuperPig

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Can you give me the cliffs about why he was there, armed?

I think he's a paramedic, right?
"The jury learned that Rittenhouse, who once hoped to become a police officer or a paramedic, had received first-aid training and worked as a lifeguard"
 

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"The jury learned that Rittenhouse, who once hoped to become a police officer or a paramedic, had received first-aid training and worked as a lifeguard"
I'm talking about the paramedic guy who teared up with tears when testifying how it hurt to be shot.

He was there as a paramedic, right? In that capacity, but armed?
 

SuperPig

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I'm talking about the paramedic guy who teared up with tears when testifying how it hurt to be shot.

He was there as a paramedic, right? In that capacity, but armed?
Grosskreutz, a paramedic from Milwaukee, had attended dozens of Black Lives Matter demonstrations that summer, acting as a medic and legal observer. He carried medical supplies, made livestreams of the events and wore a hat that read "paramedic."
 

La Paix

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I'm talking about the paramedic guy who teared up with tears when testifying how it hurt to be shot.

He was there as a paramedic, right? In that capacity, but armed?
Grosskreutz, a paramedic from Milwaukee, had attended dozens of Black Lives Matter demonstrations that summer, acting as a medic and legal observer. He carried medical supplies, made livestreams of the events and wore a hat that read "paramedic."

Grosskreutz was also carrying his handgun holstered in the small of his back. His conceal-carry permit was expired at the time — which Grosskreutz said in testimony that he was unaware of that night.


 

La Paix

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Grosskreutz, a paramedic from Milwaukee, had attended dozens of Black Lives Matter demonstrations that summer, acting as a medic and legal observer. He carried medical supplies, made livestreams of the events and wore a hat that read "paramedic."
 

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Grosskreutz, a paramedic from Milwaukee, had attended dozens of Black Lives Matter demonstrations that summer, acting as a medic and legal observer. He carried medical supplies, made livestreams of the events and wore a hat that read "paramedic."

Grosskreutz was also carrying his handgun holstered in the small of his back. His conceal-carry permit was expired at the time — which Grosskreutz said in testimony that he was unaware of that night.


I saw a headline about him being interviewed, titled "Rittenhouse victim speaks blah blah".
?
"Victim", wtf.

He's a victim of his own stupidity.
 

sparkuri

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How do you see to type with your nose so far up in the air?
@Lars just said "colloquially".

I think we just entered a universe where sharks, Thor, and Mary Poppins are one entity.
It's a supercalifragilistic dimension between time & space, sight and sound.

 

Filthy

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As the resident libertarian, I find it somewhat funny that your go to is the idea that people can't be trusted in their opinions and are easily manipulated idiots.

Maybe people just disagree with you and many think it's unhelpful and reckless to drive to a riot with an open carry ar15.
In this case even the facts support the open carry ar15 as the reason Rosenbaum singled out Rittenhouse as a rival and threat as well as the potential to lose said ar15 as justification to shoot Rosenbaum.


As for minority opinions driving gun laws,
It's true here and elsewhere.
it's also continually true when looking at federal polls asking if we should have "more" or "less" gun laws where the consensus is now the highest since 1992 awb that we need more gun control, all while we continually move to less.

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my notion is that the media is portraying a plurality where none exists.

you're saying that the law is in opposition to the common morality, and your evidence is a poll in Austin?
Further, I've been very forward about how stupid and unhelpful it is to drive to a riot with an AR. That seems like a job for the police, but what if the police are just standing around watching the city burn because it's an "approved" riot for the "correct" reasons?

A whole shitload of people were walking around open carry with ARs and pistols, why do you think this incident started with a recently released mental patient with a history of violence against children who was acting in concert with the common morality? Why are you fixated on this weapon when there were dozens of guns in Kenosha?
 

sparkuri

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But it appears that many people have a moral issue with it and the law is out of step with those societal expectations and norms. It would be interesting to know in that state what the polling is on open carry laws. Many of these gun laws are pushed by vocal minority opinions and not the opinion of the populace at large.
Good lord what a scary thought pattern.

Where is Splinty & wtf did you do to him for how many bitcoin?
 

sparkuri

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As the resident libertarian, I find it somewhat funny that your go to is the idea that people can't be trusted in their opinions and are easily manipulated idiots.

Maybe people just disagree with you and many think it's unhelpful and reckless to drive to a riot with an open carry ar15.
In this case even the facts support the open carry ar15 as the reason Rosenbaum singled out Rittenhouse as a rival and threat as well as the potential to lose said ar15 as justification to shoot Rosenbaum.


As for minority opinions driving gun laws,
It's true here and elsewhere.
it's also continually true when looking at federal polls asking if we should have "more" or "less" gun laws where the consensus is now the highest since 1992 awb that we need more gun control, all while we continually move to less.

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Some of us have lived long enough to see "opinion polls" which barely existed in mainstream news 30 years ago, become a manipulative tool.
In the same post you point out how it's faulty thinking to believe folks are too stupid to think for themselves, you highlighted the proof as an argument.
 

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It's illegal. Sooooo???
I don't understand this. There are not 50 amendments.




But they did. And they said similar things around a lot of topics. They aren't perfect and they aren't holy infallible god's. Just as all men are created equal was not exactly enforced as all men...
Anyways the supreme court has repeatedly confirmed that speech is limited including creating harmful dangerous situations with said speech.

Open carry is not universal. It is constitutional to limit open carry.

But all of this is a side bar to what I posted.
Being within the right to do something doesn't mean always morally right or within the expectations of the village.
If a majority of people in that state or city do not support Kyle Rittenhouse right to open carry a firearm into a riot (a right that is not granted everywhere even in the United States) then it highlights why people are so unhappy with the actions, case, and result.
Disagree. Murica... love it or leave it.
 

Splinty

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my notion is that the media is portraying a plurality where none exists.

you're saying that the law is in opposition to the common morality, and your evidence is a poll in Austin?
Further, I've been very forward about how stupid and unhelpful it is to drive to a riot with an AR. That seems like a job for the police, but what if the police are just standing around watching the city burn because it's an "approved" riot for the "correct" reasons?

A whole shitload of people were walking around open carry with ARs and pistols, why do you think this incident started with a recently released mental patient with a history of violence against children who was acting in concert with the common morality? Why are you fixated on this weapon when there were dozens of guns in Kenosha?
You've completely lost sight of what I said or where this conversation originated.

I'm not fixated on anything. My original statement was jumping off a Canadians view of our situation and how many here unhappy with the verdict seemed to be echoing that same sentiment.

I then said

. It would be interesting to know in that state what the polling is on open carry laws.


Many of these gun laws are pushed by vocal minority opinions and not the opinion of the populace at large.
Two statements.
My Austin poll is in direct response to you asking for proof of my second statement.
Which it does.

Trying to understand why so many people are seeing this different than you isn't me calling for anything. It is trying to understand how the law, result, etc are potentially out of step with what people deem as right or wrong
 

Filthy

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You've completely lost sight of what I said or where this conversation originated.

I'm not fixated on anything. My original statement was jumping off a Canadians view of our situation and how many here unhappy with the verdict seemed to be echoing that same sentiment.

I then said



Two statements.
My Austin poll is in direct response to you asking for proof of my second statement.
Which it does.

Trying to understand why so many people are seeing this different than you isn't me calling for anything. It is trying to understand how the law, result, etc are potentially out of step with what people deem as right or wrong
i get that, but you're not addressing the possibility that it's the media narrative that's out of step with reality. How does that poll reconcile with the fact that Texas has some of the most permissive personal/property defense laws in the US? The data you provided is without context, that's always suspicious to me. For example, if I lead in to that question with 8 prior questions of "are you aware that babies can buy pistols and carry them in openly?" "Are you aware that open carry handguns account for 90% of handgun deaths?" etc and then hit the "do you think handguns should be open carry?"

along with questions about sampling, error correction method, bias correction etc. Not saying that's what happened here and it's a dirty poll, but polls are less of an indicator of the common morality than voting patterns.
 

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i get that, but you're not addressing the possibility that it's the media narrative that's out of step with reality. How does that poll reconcile with the fact that Texas has some of the most permissive personal/property defense laws in the US? The data you provided is without context, that's always suspicious to me. For example, if I lead in to that question with 8 prior questions of "are you aware that babies can buy pistols and carry them in openly?" "Are you aware that open carry handguns account for 90% of handgun deaths?" etc and then hit the "do you think handguns should be open carry?"

along with questions about sampling, error correction method, bias correction etc. Not saying that's what happened here and it's a dirty poll, but polls are less of an indicator of the common morality than voting patterns.
Everything that goes against my opinion is fake and wrong shock.
 

Splinty

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i get that, but you're not addressing the possibility that it's the media narrative that's out of step with reality. How does that poll reconcile with the fact that Texas has some of the most permissive personal/property defense laws in the US?
I don't know how else to answer your question about proof that people at large feel one way and that the laws don't represent the opinions of the at large populace other than showing you at large populace opinion polls.

To answer this direct question I think there's a big difference between people's consideration for protection of their home versus consideration of carrying a weapon everywhere they go in public.
I don't think it's a big jump to say those are two totally separate conditions with separate context that would get very different opinions in the same group.







but polls are less of an indicator of the common morality than voting patterns.

Wut??

At various levels voting doesn't even represent half the population, It usually skews older, whiter, and more conservative than any other measuring of the populaces actual opinions nearly every single level of voting from local to state to federal.