Silva to present his case!

[dacofty]

NSAC meets Monday: Anderson Silva off agenda, Nick Diaz and Hector Lombard on | MMAjunkie

"A report by Brazilian website UOL stated Silva will claim he used the anabolic steroids drostanolone and androstane to strengthen muscles surrounding the site of his injury. The Silva camp will also argue that the use of anxiety medication oxazepam and insomnia medication temazepam was prescribed by a doctor to operate in combination to work similar to a muscle relaxant, according to the report.

Per the report, Silva representatives will claim the dosage of the anabolic steroids was low enough to not provide any competitive advantage and that they were not intentionally deceptive in their usage of the drugs."

LOL WTF, it doesnt matter if you used them to make a muscle dance like michael jackson, its still ILLEGAL. no matter what argument he throws out the end results its ILLEGAL. Ban him and lets move on.

 

[Pitbull9]

I used steroids


but i didnt use them to cheat

only to cheat by healing the muscles quicker

also its just a side effect that steroids happen to help in other ways also


i didnt mean to cheat though just want to make that clear

 

[Stillmatic]

^^^LOL^^^ I've lost interest in PEDs.

 

[Priziesthorse]

Rogan has mentioned twice now on his podcast that theres more to the story and it might change your mind about Silva. Spill the beans @Joe Rogan !!

 

[dacofty]

Honestly, the only story i could see is if the UFC and dirtbag pressured him to fight. Other then that if its listed on the ban list...its still banned!

 

[Shy Guy]

Rogan has mentioned twice now on his podcast that theres more to the story and it might change your mind about Silva. Spill the beans @Joe Rogan !!

Woah..Joe joined the site? Very cool.

 

[Priziesthorse]

Woah..Joe joined the site? Very cool.

Yup!

 

[ThatOneDude]

He's going to have to be slicker than Chael with his words if he wants anyone to buy his excuse/reason

 

[Jonny Quest]

someone send Joe a themmacommunity.com t-shirt. maybe he will wear it on his podcast.

 

[Pitbull9]

Oh man guys I beg you all not turn into what the other site did when it comes to Rogan.

 

[dacofty]

Oh man guys I beg you all not turn into what the other site did when it comes to Rogan.

or turn into anything the other side is

 

[ThatOneDude]

Does the UG need to be brought up in every thread? Let's keep it positive

 

[ChaosOverkill]

Would a therapeutic use exemption not have covered this? It was brought up immediately by some people when he failed.

Is the explanation here including "My Doctor is either an idiot or didn't know about TUE's?"

 

[ThatOneDude]

Would a therapeutic use exemption not have covered this? It was brought up immediately by some people when he failed.

Is the explanation here including "My Doctor is either an idiot or didn't know about TUE's?"

It would, if there were TUE's still.

 

[ChaosOverkill]

It would, if there were TUE's still.

That's only for Testosterone is it not they banned TRT and it's wonky elastic pretense for use that fighters were giving was it not? A rehabbing broken leg using those drugs are not a Test Hormone treatment from that I can understand from this.

Therapeutic use is a rehabbing medical term for anything that has a legality issue upcomming for someone be it for a competition or something else where it conflicts.

It would be cutting off your nose to spite your face to ban ANY TUE in therapeutic amounts in single use for an obvious unique problem that isn't going to re-occur.

 

[ThatOneDude]

... He took steroids which are banned in and out of competition. I would think if there was a loop hole someone would have used it by now

 

[ChaosOverkill]

... He took steroids which are banned in and out of competition

I understand that, I'm saying that the use of TUE is get approval to use an approved amount of something for something like rehabbing a leg, it is monitored so as to not cross into levels that he is trying to argue are beneficial. Like a medical marijanua license is to allow people to consume and posses that substance in places where both are illegal all the time.

That's what someone argued when he failed, that even in sport if you seek an injury rehab TUE for certain illegal substances you are provided a window to do so in approved monitored amounts, which is part of his argument here.

A loop hole would mean that you don't have to prove your leg is broken

He CAN prove his leg broke and needs it to return to a normal leg use thus asking for a TUE for a single use not ongoing.

 

[ThatOneDude]

I really don't think that's going to fly?

 

[ChaosOverkill]

I really don't think that's going to fly?

But that's the point of TUE and why they exist, is for someone like him to go to a commission with proof, the reason TRT tue's were stopped because it was on the word of a Doctor that these guys needed it. All it needed was for some low test number and a doctor to certify he needed it.

With a broken leg or something as serious, it's physical proof and if he's asking for "A therapeutic amount" it's the basis for an exemption which would be carefully monitored.

He is making the same argument essentially, I never hear one way or another from anyone who deals with commissions if they are or are not in fact still allowed on the single use carefully monitored therapeutic amount through concrete proof of a medical issue.

If not I'm looking for the source language it isn't to answer both mine and the original question someone posed about it.

 

[jason73]

i dont think steroids should be banned for a broken leg.that is pretty much what they are medically perscribed for. i think they need to ban someone with that kind of injury from competition for long enough to heal the leg ,do a cycle legally so the leg is built back up to normal muscle levels and then is out of the system.im not really pro steroid but to ban them for legit medical reasons is kinda stupid.in the end he tested positive and got caught so he needs to face whatever everyone else faces because that is the way the rules are right now.

 

[ChaosOverkill]

And TRT TUE's were asking for an ongoing amount which were opening up for unnatural results.

and the fact that they even allowed that type in the first place "To return to normal test" in the intended form, suggest TUE's exist and was the basis for the original question.

This would be a one time use of amounts not comparable to a cycle to be used in strengthening the leg back to the use he had in it before.


To me the whole thing is still wonky, especially the use of Temazepam etc, as "Muscle relaxers" stretches his explanation further and outside of what would be a reasonable TUE demand in any scenario. So either

A. There are none for this stuff or left in MMA, and he's guilty and lying about all of this.
B. There are and his doctor and him never asked.
C. There are and it would not have been approved regardless and they are trying to act as if it would they were doing the equivalent anyway and should be excused or reduced in punishment as a caveat.

I'm trying to to figure out which one is the case.

 

[ChaosOverkill]

i dont think steroids should be banned for a broken leg.that is pretty much what they are medically perscribed for. i think they need to ban someone with that kind of injury from competition for long enough to heal the leg ,do a cycle legally so the leg is built back up to normal muscle levels and then is out of the system.im not really pro steroid but to ban them for legit medical reasons is kinda stupid.in the end he tested positive and got caught so he needs to face whatever everyone else faces because that is the way the rules are right now.

Yes and the argument I was trying to make based on what I read someone make was that there is a contingency under TUE's for this type of thing and they either ignored or are ignorant to them in this case.

Or surpassed what could be awarded and are trying to confuse the issue.

 

[jason73]

its so hard to say with the NSAC because they clearly never know what the hell they are doing.they have to be the most incompetent regulating body in sports

 

[ChaosOverkill]

its so hard to say with the NSAC because they clearly never know what the hell they are doing.they have to be the most incompetent regulating body in sports

Well yeah and that's another side issue entirely but the logic that they first even accepted TRT Tue's suggests they have laws surrounding the rehabbing purposes of Steroids in healing an injury like this.

http://www.olympic.org/Documents/Ga...oping/Summary-information-to-NOC-2012-eng.pdf

For example the link above is about this topic for the London games and the procedure for applying for TUE's which, if the Olympics have I can reasonably assume some athletic commission has language for.

 

[Greek777]

Funny how he took those "supplements" 14 months after his leg break occurred. Guess that was all just to "heal".

It's unbelievable that he is acting this way about it. Personally I don't care if he took PEDs that much but it's the lying and trying to cover it up like it was some honest mistake that we should pity him over because he broke his leg. Complete bullshit, praying on the naive fans who know nothing of the subject, know nothing about what he took, when he took it, how long it stays in your system, what it does, etc. I used to have pictures of Anderson Silva on my wall. They're gone now. I know no one cares but guess what I'm not the only one...

The only people who will continue to support him as he lies and reads off stupid prepared statements that are full of shit, are nut hugger fans who don't care what a fighter does because they are his fan, and people that are too naive to understand the deal. People who don't get how this all works, how he was NEVER tested out of camp before, how taking what he took 13 months after his leg break has ZERO effect on his injury at all.. The whole "yes I cheated, but I didn't actually do it to cheat" excuse drives me FUCKING INSANE. It's the worst approach you can ever take.

If he was to man up about it and just tell the truth it'd go way better. If he said "I took them because I'm near 40 years old, thought my career was over and I was desperate. I wanted to do anything to get back to my old self and after the injury I feared I would be a shell of what I once was, so I made a mistake in judgement and went on a PED routine for over a year to try and reach the level I was once at"

But he will never say that. The whole "I did it because I broke my leg" thing is fucking ridiculous. His leg broke in December 2013. He was on the shit as late as December of 2014, if not January of 2015. All proven by the positive tests.

It's an insult to my intelligence and any other person who knows how this all works. I'm not going to give him sympathy when he is lying through his teeth.

First it was "I have nothing to say because I don't understand this. I took nothing and there must be a mistake at the lab". Now it's "I only did it to heal my broken leg.. Even though it was healed for well over 6 months before my fight"

Fuck outta here with that shit. From legend to loser.