Who's side are you on?
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I didn't even notice that. But I did notice it's a GQ photo, so I think that goes some way in answering your question.
I'm always on the fighter's side, but this still rings untrue to me.
If a guy is sooooo obsessed with a rematch that he refuses to fight anyone else, and insists its at 200, insists its at the same weight etc etc...
Why would he suddenly not show up for a pres conference on a Friday because he's too focused on "training" in Timbuktu?????????
..... but insist he show up for a press conference in May - like ... is he not gonna be training in May?
As they say; "Something's rotten inDenmark Iceland".
If a guy is sooooo obsessed with a rematch that he refuses to fight anyone else, and insists its at 200, insists its at the same weight etc etc...
Why would he suddenly not show up for a pres conference on a Friday because he's too focused on "training" in Timbuktu?????????
..... but insist he show up for a press conference in May - like ... is he not gonna be training in May?
As they say; "Something's rotten in
No I don't support him.
GSP was a consummate professional throughout his entire career. Carrying cards, doing the publicity, training and winning.
McGregor largely made his money with his persona. You could see he was getting a bit tired of all the talk during the lead up to his last fight but he made that bed.
I can appreciate him wanting to slow things down and focus on the fight. But to feign retirement? Then back out of a fight where your opponent is going through the same or similar media responsibilities?
Nate had no training camp in the last fight and still did all the last minute media responsibilities before it.
Conor isn't getting any sympathy from me.
GSP was a consummate professional throughout his entire career. Carrying cards, doing the publicity, training and winning.
McGregor largely made his money with his persona. You could see he was getting a bit tired of all the talk during the lead up to his last fight but he made that bed.
I can appreciate him wanting to slow things down and focus on the fight. But to feign retirement? Then back out of a fight where your opponent is going through the same or similar media responsibilities?
Nate had no training camp in the last fight and still did all the last minute media responsibilities before it.
Conor isn't getting any sympathy from me.
Someone had to do it, Zuffa have been to big for they're boots for a long time from what I can gather..
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sddmDF0QHbY
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sddmDF0QHbY
I support what he's doing. Fuck yeah. Its making me a major fan of his. Someone at the top of the fighters needed to do this.
All of this. I can't vote because I really don't know what great stand he is taking. I can't stand Zuffa's business practices and generally always side with the fighters. However, I'm more concerned about the guys making 50K than if Conor doesn't feel like doing a presser for his 5-10 million per fight. I have no doubt had he knocked Nate out he would have showed to do his strutting and shit talking about how great he is. Also his habit of belittling people tends to provide less empathy for him. I heard when he did it to his competitors it was his act to sell the fights but now that he belittles media, etc. it's pretty lame.
As far as his tweet about bringing in 400 million that is how "the game" he allegedly mastered is set-up. I, at one time, did not receive what I thought was an appropriate share of the direct revenue I generated for the company. So I left and started my own company to get 100%. For someone who continually brags how great he is at business you would think he would get that. Fight out your contract and start "Mcgregor Promotions" or shut the fuck up.
Zuffa put "Reasonable amount of promotion" in the contracts so they could subjectively keep stretching the term reasonable and Zuffa is anything but going to respect the term Reasonable.
Yes he signed, but Zuffa and their rubber contracts were going to come to a head eventually. If it has to be Conor so be it.
Yes he signed, but Zuffa and their rubber contracts were going to come to a head eventually. If it has to be Conor so be it.
I think you're overselling conors actions a bit here.
I recall people touting Jon Jones' actions backing out of a card too. Iirc, no significant impact was made to the organizations modus operandi. Later we saw that Jon was just the diva we thought him to be.
Idk. I just don't see Conor has having as much power as he or a lot of fans think. Especially now that he's lost.
Seems to me that ZUFFA called his bluff because his bluff was pretty stupid.
I'm saying Conor doing this has a byproduct of engaging in that conversation cause it should be had. What is "Reasonable amount of promotion"?
If Conor isn't ultimately enough to have an effect, if they have a slow summer buy-wise it might and I sitll maintain they are looking to sell after these two or three sponges they still have are squeezed dry it might, it will start the ball rolling on fighters exerting some degree of principal even if small, because Zuffa are not going to back off and their contracts are not going to be less of an issue going forward if they keep on this.
Zuffa has one philosophy on what makes their PPV's sell: place the guys over and over in front of the same questions for soundbytes and hopefully some sort of drama. I don't even think Boxing does it as repetitive for big fights as they do.
I can't see, with them continually escalating the size and scope of this the fighters having an endless leash for tolerance with it. If Conor saying anything in the ballpark of questioning reasonable through what he's already done or pulling more than his weight, even if it's not wanting to talk about losing for 3 months while Dana smiles like a jackass, it's a vague conversation that needs to take place because Zuffa are not going to voluntarily limit media for them going forward, it is only going to get more intense.
I can't see, with them continually escalating the size and scope of this the fighters having an endless leash for tolerance with it. If Conor saying anything in the ballpark of questioning reasonable through what he's already done or pulling more than his weight, even if it's not wanting to talk about losing for 3 months while Dana smiles like a jackass, it's a vague conversation that needs to take place because Zuffa are not going to voluntarily limit media for them going forward, it is only going to get more intense.
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I hear you ChaosOverkill.
And I like pretty much anything that gives these fighters a bit more power. Especially over the bloodsuckers at ZUFFA.
A "reasonable amount" of promotion is where it gets tricky. I'm not sure how much is required by these dudes. Or how it's doled out.
If they give the fighters the information several weeks out then it seems to me that the fighters should schedule their training around that. It's a part of the game, be it unfornate or not.
If the UFC is telling guys a few days before then it seem very problematic.
And I like pretty much anything that gives these fighters a bit more power. Especially over the bloodsuckers at ZUFFA.
A "reasonable amount" of promotion is where it gets tricky. I'm not sure how much is required by these dudes. Or how it's doled out.
If they give the fighters the information several weeks out then it seems to me that the fighters should schedule their training around that. It's a part of the game, be it unfornate or not.
If the UFC is telling guys a few days before then it seem very problematic.
Well that's what needs to be clarified more I think maybe
@ErikMagraken can maybe chime in on. When and how do they declare and decide with the fighter on that "Reasonable amount of promotion"
Yes and no.
I'm glad the UFC took a stand and didn't give Conor special treatment for once.
But I kind of understand where Conor is coming from.
There's no black and white here for me.
At the same time, it's really pretty funny that Conor of all people is complaining about promotion when he's the biggest promoter in the UFC and made his money because of it.
And again, at the same time, he's done more promotion than anyone else, only one that rivals him is Rousey. So that's where I understand where he's coming from, the guys been promoting non-stop for the past 2 years, he must be a little burnt out and he has a genuine challenge in front of him this time.
Funny though that, the minute Conor finally fights someone who weighs about the same(or is Diaz a bit bigger?) but has the physical advantages over him that he had over his opponents in the past he runs into trouble. He's fighting at his natural weight class and he can't get past he top 5(or whatever, rankings are bullshit) guy, how would he have done against Dos Anjos or Pettis or Khabib etc? Different stylistic match-ups, but each of those guys have exactly what you need to beat Conor, good grappling(Pettis has his BJJ, but if he rocked McG the same way Diaz did, you bet he'd tap).
I'm glad the UFC took a stand and didn't give Conor special treatment for once.
But I kind of understand where Conor is coming from.
There's no black and white here for me.
At the same time, it's really pretty funny that Conor of all people is complaining about promotion when he's the biggest promoter in the UFC and made his money because of it.
And again, at the same time, he's done more promotion than anyone else, only one that rivals him is Rousey. So that's where I understand where he's coming from, the guys been promoting non-stop for the past 2 years, he must be a little burnt out and he has a genuine challenge in front of him this time.
Funny though that, the minute Conor finally fights someone who weighs about the same(or is Diaz a bit bigger?) but has the physical advantages over him that he had over his opponents in the past he runs into trouble. He's fighting at his natural weight class and he can't get past he top 5(or whatever, rankings are bullshit) guy, how would he have done against Dos Anjos or Pettis or Khabib etc? Different stylistic match-ups, but each of those guys have exactly what you need to beat Conor, good grappling(Pettis has his BJJ, but if he rocked McG the same way Diaz did, you bet he'd tap).
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Thank you I'm very perceptive.
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Is that the PC term for it nowadays?
I voted on Conor's side, just cause I can't be on the UFC's side. I can't side with Dana pretending things are fair etc, and I think its just a show to say "no look, he doesn't get the fight that he wanted". Did Conor really want that fight? Or was he forced by the UFC to push for it? We haven't really heard much from him about this.. heard he's obsessed and shit like that but that doesn't say much.
I'm with Conor cos while promotion is important sometimes (if not most of the times) the fight should be placed above it and if that gets him better prepared for the fight, that's what he should do. The counter argument to this is that everyone there is doing the same, its 3 months away and there's not that much time that's really required (at least, for missing THAT press conference). So I dunno what Conor's thinking, but I'd like it if the UFC weren't acting so patronisingly.
I'm with Conor cos while promotion is important sometimes (if not most of the times) the fight should be placed above it and if that gets him better prepared for the fight, that's what he should do. The counter argument to this is that everyone there is doing the same, its 3 months away and there's not that much time that's really required (at least, for missing THAT press conference). So I dunno what Conor's thinking, but I'd like it if the UFC weren't acting so patronisingly.