Who's side are you on?

[Deleted member 1]

I like Conors General theme.

But as best I can tell the timing is not on his side.

He picked a pretty awkward moment to Bear a cross

 

[ErikMagraken]

Well that's what needs to be clarified more I think maybe @ErikMagraken can maybe chime in on. When and how do they declare and decide with the fighter on that "Reasonable amount of promotion"

I don't know that a court had ever interpreted that in the context of MMA. As I previously mentioned
This language is broad and places at lot of power and discretion in the hands of the UFC. The plain language of this clause lets the UFC dictate the time place and number of press conferences. So long as the demands do not become unreasonable, a term that is open to interpretation in any given situation, they are in the right to force their fighters to attend their press conferences.

 

[ChaosOverkill]

I don't know that a court had ever interpreted that in the context of MMA. As I previously mentioned
This language is broad and places at lot of power and discretion in the hands of the UFC. The plain language of this clause lets the UFC dictate the time place and number of press conferences. So long as the demands do not become unreasonable, a term that is open to interpretation in any given situation, they are in the right to force their fighters to attend their press conferences.

So the term reasonable apply to the demands beyond press conferences then? Press conferences are somewhat before that word becomes invoked is what you're saying? It's stuff like asking them to do extra curricular on top of that..

I'm only confused as to what line the word reasonable can create in terms of disagreement if a fighter were to challenge the process half way through it, what kinds of activities or amount they might stand up and say "This is unreasonable" or whether the language would always buy the UFC plausible deniability.

 

[WoodenPupa]

I wonder if a court would take into account that Conor's home and fight team is based in Ireland? Does where a fighter lives factor into what might be considered reasonable, since in his case it would involve quite a lot of traveling away from home and his camp? Naturally, this applies to other fighters as well (though based on the world tour(s) from the Aldo fight, Conor probably did more promo work than any fighter ever has.

 

[canofsticks]

I drank a few beers and read the question as "do you support the UFC taking a stand against Conor" and voted no.
Please excuse me while I walk out of this thread.

 

[Ghost Bro]

I wonder if a court would take into account that Conor's home and fight team is based in Ireland? Does where a fighter lives factor into what might be considered reasonable, since in his case it would involve quite a lot of traveling away from home and his camp? Naturally, this applies to other fighters as well (though based on the world tour(s) from the Aldo fight, Conor probably did more promo work than any fighter ever has.

Hmm not sure how thatd factor in. I know what you mean but he's training in Iceland

 

[WoodenPupa]

The promotion would mostly be in America though. Or no?

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

The promotion would mostly be in America though. Or no?

Some of my co-workers live 5 minutes away from work. Some live an hour away. They're all expected to be at work on time everyday. I realize this isn't a day to day job like most of us have, but I do think when you sign a contract to work for someone who runs almost entirely out of the U.S. "I live far away" becomes your responsibility, not your employers. It's not as if he just found out that Zuffa is headquartered in LV.

 

[WoodenPupa]

Some of my co-workers live 5 minutes away from work. Some live an hour away. They're all expected to be at work on time everyday. I realize this isn't a day to day job like most of us have, but I do think when you sign a contract to work for someone who runs almost entirely out of the U.S. "I live far away" becomes your responsibility, not your employers. It's not as if he just found out that Zuffa is headquartered in LV.

The terms of the "work" in question here are far from black and white. What's up in the air here is the term "reasonable" vis a vis promotional duties.

And responsibility? That's only as set in stone as your leverage will allow. Let's not pretend that all this is reducible to ethics---it's just business. Of course, if the going gets rough, both sides will bring out moral features of their arguments and use them to grandstand.

At any rate, day to day jobs aren't in reality much different. The more valuable you are, the more leverage you have, and only an idiot doesn't use at least some that leverage when it becomes available.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

What's up in the air here is the term "reasonable" vis a vis promotional duties.

I understand, but when you mentioned "Mostly in the States" that makes it about where the duties are performed rather than whether or not they're being performed.

I personally don't believe any of this is an issue, and I'll be surprised if he isn't fighting Nate at UFC 200.

 

[WoodenPupa]

I understand, but when you mentioned "Mostly in the States" that makes it about where the duties are performed rather than whether or not they're being performed.

I personally don't believe any of this is an issue, and I'll be surprised if he isn't fighting Nate at UFC 200.

I got you. I'm just wondering if the "where" might be a factor in determining the "what".

Agreed on that last part. I think he'll fight at 200 as well.

 

[1031]

Zuffa has one philosophy on what makes their PPV's sell: place the guys over and over in front of the same questions for soundbytes and hopefully some sort of drama.

This.
It tells us that either their employees in these matters simply don't have ideas and aren't good enough for the jobs they have or that management just doesn't know what they're doing.

And you couldn't be more correct on this one:

Zuffa put "Reasonable amount of promotion" in the contracts so they could subjectively keep stretching the term reasonable and Zuffa is anything but going to respect the term Reasonable.

 

[Ghost Bro]

Is that the PC term for it nowadays?

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