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Bataclan. There's been reports lately that France covered up how gruesome the attacks were. Supposedly the guys had their dicks cut off, stuffed in their mouths, and were left to bleed out.
What in the holy hell!!!!!!!!!! Jesus man.
Turkey invoked article 4 in 2015 and had NATO talks about the Syrian Civil war. This will be similar. Turkey are worried about a Kurdish state arising on their border, as they have a sizable Kurd population that have a sizeable separatist movement themselves. Many of the forces that are making up the new U.S. backed coalition, the SDF, were once considered terrorists by the U.S. and still are by Turkey.
Erdogan is a lose cannon at this point, though. It will be interesting to see what comes of this meeting.
Well because there's no evidence it ever happened.
One morning talk show host, Joe Scarborough says he heard from a guy that an unnamed source said that four months ago...
That's it. That's where that came from. If it was verified in any regard it would have been all over at the time. Or anytime since then. There is no shortage of media ready to dig up Trump dirt. All that has come since that statement is the blogsphere repeating Scarborough.
The US doesn't have the ability to do any of that. He has never suggested any of that either.
It means that if you aren't paying your 2% GDP to the collective defense fund, I'm not being sent to die on your behalf if you get attacked.
Trump's focus has been on article 5 almost exclusively during this topic. We'll have to look at the situation to determine whether Americans dying for that conflict is justified. Automatic war under 'collective defense' is no longer the doctrine.
I continue to not understand the indignation (not you) that we dare suggest Americans should leave a binding contract to send their children to war on behalf of somebody else, when 2% of GDP is too much for those asking for such blood sacrifice to be on standby.
Maybe. Or maybe an illegitimate government that controls geography inside of recognized nation states.
My only point is whether Turkey is justified in invoking an article of NATO about protecting sovereign territory. I think so in this case.
And following that is all the intertwined short comings of NATO -- is it designed to act against such a group that you and I are still hashing out how to define even in this conversation?
OUT OUT OUT.
I hope not, and/or Turkey has to get the boot, they are both the 'boy who cried wolf' (1000 times), solidly slipping into Sharia Law and a cult of personality - Erdogan's political position is a thinly veiled lighting on fire of their own consitution
I agree in principle, but what does Trump plan to do to make them pay that 2% Or are you suggesting the U.S. leaves NATO, which will effectively make it defunct?
What's that from? It looks like daily mail article headline. Daily Mail is extremely unreliable and sensationalist. It's a rag.
From a random google image search. I think a number of outlets reported on it, but it's still hearsay regardless. Can't deny that picture though. Place was a bloodbath.
@Zeph, Looks like a ton of tabloid sites picked up on the story and didn't source it well. This looks to be a good arcticle though...Horrifying details of the Bataclan Theatre massacre revealed | New York Post
You guys wanna get matching Trump tats on our butt cheeks?
Ok, so prosecutors argued that it was possibly shrapnel that caused the wounds as no knives were found at the scene. Although some people are saying it was recorded for propaganda videos. Terrible either way, and the reason to not tell the families was to save them some grief, they had just lost loved ones, did they immediately need to know that they were tortured, possibly, to death?
French government ‘suppressed torture’ of Bataclan victims
Horrifying details of the Bataclan Theatre massacre revealed | New York Post
Yeah, I found the Daily Mail article. This one seems like the best and has testimony from the hearing. Horrible stuff, these people deserve what is coming to them.
Prosecutor: I specify, for the sake of clarity: some of the bodies found at the Bataclan were extremely mutilated by the explosions and weapons, to the point that it was sometimes difficult to reconstruct the dismembered bodies. In other words, injuries described this father may also have been caused by automatic weapons, by explosions or projections of nails and bolts that have resulted.
Q. Would those have put a man’s balls in in his own mouth?
Prosecutor: I do not have that information.
Q. Would those have put a man’s balls in in his own mouth?
Prosecutor: I do not have that information.
I don't see it as complicated.
You're either paying up under the current treaty and we are all going to act under the current treaty, or we aren't.
If not, its time to quit the limp wristed politicking that has plagued this process for the last decade and longer, in which European partners say they are trying real hard to get there and we say in very tepid language how much we want you to. Then nothing changes.
If the 2% target isn't going to be met, time to remove it, realign expectations, and determine what everyone is bringing to the table.
NATO intelligence sharing, agreed missions, joint training, all are not under threat. Its collective defense that is the problem. The tangible act of joining a potential world war when the countries can't even put a stake in the ground of a paltry 2% is nothing to scoff at. And if that's the commitment, then we should reconsider out commitment.
Trump is, as I am, skewering the idea continued automatic collective defense. If you want it, you'll pay your agreed 2% or renegotiated onto something you'll actually meet.
I'm in! I call dibs on the Don's signature!
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Interesting.
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_7302016.pdf
Nearly 40% of that age group think Hillary should be in prison
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Thats why Trump has to turn people away at the doors for his rallies and Hillary has to cancel events due to lack of interest. Trump wins in a landslide if there's no voting machine fuckery.