OMG Trumps actually going to build the wall

[Yossarian]

TLDR - The fear of immigration & xenophobia - not the economy is the common thread in the rise of populist parties across the world.

Immigration and immigrants have been issues mostly during economic challenging times. Illegal immigration has been on the decline since 2007. And xenophobia? I think people embrace other cultures, until resources become low and competition sets in. this is human nature, not xenophobia.

And yes, that doesn't mean there isn't racism or idealogical conflicts. I'd say the economic landscape has everything to do with immigration, refugee, and culture clashes. The economy is at the root of most of it.

 

[Yossarian]

It just got 10 feet taller.

 

[Freeloading Rusty]

Immigration and immigrants have been issues mostly during economic challenging times. Illegal immigration has been on the decline since 2007. And xenophobia? I think people embrace other cultures, until resources become low and competition sets in. this is human nature, not xenophobia.

And yes, that doesn't mean there isn't racism or idealogical conflicts. I'd say the economic landscape has everything to do with immigration, refugee, and culture clashes. The economy is at the root of most of it.

Its not my argument, its Zack Beauchamp's and I would do a hack job trying to reproduce it. Skim through the article, it is chalked full of historical references, stats, graphs and studies based off what is happening in Europe's slide into the far right with stringent immigration policies.

 

[Yossarian]

Its not my argument, its Zack Beauchamp's and I would do a hack job trying to reproduce it. Skim through the article, it is chalked full of historical references, stats, graphs and studies based off what is happening in Europe's slide into the far right with stringent immigration policies.

I do agree, Europe provides some valuable lessons regarding immigration. But some lessons we've observed is that during troubling times, that is when the scape goats were selected.

 

[Yossarian]

Yes the rust belt got super racist all of a sudden. Fuck the crazy amount of job loss or insanely increased health insurance costs of the last 8 years. People didn't vote for jobs. The don't like foreigners.

Well, I better pack my bags then

 

[jason73]

Or gasoline like they used too

deisel

 

[Freeloading Rusty]

HBO: The Fence: Home

if you have hbo watch it ...it is short

How do you build a wall...walls have gates...gates have people...people are corrupt.....gtfo....far too great a distance...there is water also...

Build a 30 foot wall..... Mexicans build a 40 foot ladder.

 

[Freeloading Rusty]

View: https://vimeo.com/189015526

 

[Rambo John J]

Build a 30 foot wall..... Mexicans build a 40 foot ladder.

or just dig a tunnel and make it all nice inside
like the other 20,000 tunnels

 

[Freeloading Rusty]

or just dig a tunnel and make it all nice inside
like the other 20,000 tunnels

But, but a wall... It will work.

 

[Leigh]

It's a massive spending project that is mostly mean spirited as an empty gesture. Illegal immigration has been managable here through deportation and existing monitoring and has been steadily on the decline. The spending that will go into this will not lead to the result they're looking for and in terms of symbology, it's playing up border security and xenophobia as a much larger issue than it has been.

In a way, it's no more quixotic than Obama's Healthcare reform or Bush's War on Terror. It's yet another ineffective project we'll weather the cost of while having to swallow the cutting of more essential government services in the name of trimming spending.

I understand it's massively expensive and probably a waste of money.

I disagree about being mean spirited. Tell every other country they're mean spirited.

 

[Splinty]

build a damn wall on it's own southern border to stem the flow of central americans that make up most of the illegal immigration from the past 2 decades or so

This isn't true at all...

According to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, the countries of origin for the largest numbers of illegal immigrants are as follows (latest of 2009):[7]

Country of origin Raw number Percent of total Percent change 2000 to 2009
Mexico 6,650,000 62% +42%
El Salvador 530,000 5% +25%
Guatemala 480,000 4% +65%
Honduras 320,000 3% +95%

 

[Yossarian]

 

[madmav]

This isn't true at all...

According to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, the countries of origin for the largest numbers of illegal immigrants are as follows (latest of 2009):[7]

Country of origin Raw number Percent of total Percent change 2000 to 2009
Mexico 6,650,000 62% +42%
El Salvador 530,000 5% +25%
Guatemala 480,000 4% +65%
Honduras 320,000 3% +95%

2009 vs 2016...
5 facts about illegal immigration in the U.S.


current altfacts

seriously tho.. i've noticed a huge uptick of Central Americans.. maybe trump should ban taco tuesday so we can really tell for sure. thanks trump, obama, putin and yao ming.. fuckers.

 

[Hauler]

Bingo.

Not only worthless, but ineffective due to:
(a)There's already a "wall"/fence ... is he going to build one on top of it or tear it down & rebuild? lol.... at best, he will patch a few holes in parts of the existing fence.
(b) Mexico isn't paying for ..... whatever it is he does, regardless of the double speak oozing out of his gob. American taxpayers are.
(c) Which will only lead to a higher deficit - unless he gets money from somewhere other than Mehico.

(a) - Correct. There already is a barrier, but it doesn't cover enough of the border. Some of the more porous areas will get a new barrier. Some of the difficult terrain likely won't get anything at all. People picturing a Western version of The Great Wall Of China are a bit confused, but something has to be done.

(b) Who is paying to deport all these people? Yup - taxpayers. Obama deported millions of illegals in his 8 years. Millions. That is a huge, practically incalculable expense. If your bathtub overflows and water spills out all over the floor, do you start cleaning up the mess before turning off the faucet? Of course not. Stop the flow. That's all this is about. I don't care about the rhetoric - but our border patrol is a broken system and it needs fixed. Money well spent, IMO.

(c) The debt is as high as it's ever been after 8 years of Obama and what do we have to show for it? Nothing. If we are going to operate at a deficit, I'd rather that money be spent on something that actually improves this country.

And none of this has to do with xenophobia. America is a country built by immigrants. I embrace that. But if folks are going to come here, they need to do so legally. If we, as a country, need to streamline that process to make it easier for people to gain citizenship then that is something we need to look at as well.

 

[Pitbull9]

(a) - Correct. There already is a barrier, but it doesn't cover enough of the border. Some of the more porous areas will get a new barrier. Some of the difficult terrain likely won't get anything at all. People picturing a Western version of The Great Wall Of China are a bit confused, but something has to be done.

(b) Who is paying to deport all these people? Yup - taxpayers. Obama deported millions of illegals in his 8 years. Millions. That is a huge, practically incalculable expense. If your bathtub overflows and water spills out all over the floor, do you start cleaning up the mess before turning off the faucet? Of course not. Stop the flow. That's all this is about. I don't care about the rhetoric - but our border patrol is a broken system and it needs fixed. Money well spent, IMO.

(c) The debt is as high as it's ever been after 8 years of Obama and what do we have to show for it? Nothing. If we are going to operate at a deficit, I'd rather that money be spent on something that actually improves this country.

You have to forgive that guy he is about as far left as you can get.

 

[Hauler]

You have to forgive that guy he is about as far left as you can get.

I don't mind @KWingJitsu. He's a smart guy, I just disagree with almost everything he says. Haha.

 

[Hauler]

or just dig a tunnel and make it all nice inside
like the other 20,000 tunnels

Carl Spackler figured out how to solve that issue...

I kid. I kid.

 

[Splinty]

2009 vs 2016...
5 facts about illegal immigration in the U.S.


current altfacts

seriously tho.. i've noticed a huge uptick of Central Americans.. maybe trump should ban taco tuesday so we can really tell for sure. thanks trump, obama, putin and yao ming.. fuckers.

You said the last 2 decades.

I agree. The numbers show it too. There was a big uptick.

I work in an bilingual underserved clinic doing obstetric care. A huge portion of my patient population is probably illegal. Guatemalans and Hondurans increased dramatically in the last 2 years where I'm at.

 

[Hauler]

A huge portion of my patient population is probably illegal. Guatemalans and Hondurans increased dramatically in the last 2 years where I'm at.

Do they pay their bills in cash or are you supplemented for taking care of them? I'm assuming - possibly incorrectly - that they don't have medical insurance if they are here illegally.

 

[Zeph]

having a well protected border sure as shit will. The majority of what's brought over is done so on ground

The majority is brought through tunnels that go under the existing fence.

 

[Zeph]

TLDR - The fear of immigration & xenophobia - not the economy is the common thread in the rise of populist parties across the world.

That's just a neo-liberal excuse. The economy being bad causes the concerns of immigration and xenophobia. When everyone's doing well, no one gives a shit that there is a few extra Joses, and Taco trucks on every corner.

 

[Qat]

Well, this story explains his thought-process a little bit:
German golfer Bernhard Langer and U.S. presidential election voter fraud, explained

So he hears some guy seeing people in a line to vote who do not look as if they should be allowed to coz Latinos.
> fraud! Lets investigate!


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAlNrtcPCLw

 

[Jesus X]

Build a 30 foot wall..... Mexicans build a 40 foot ladder.

I Think they will just come over in boats or use the tunnel system already in place.

 

[Zeph]

(c) The debt is as high as it's ever been after 8 years of Obama and what do we have to show for it? Nothing. If we are going to operate at a deficit, I'd rather that money be spent on something that actually improves this country.

The deficit increase is due to bailing out the banks, due to the deregulation of Clinton and Bush. Trump trying to remove 75% of regulations is going to set the U.S. up for a serious fall in the future.