General Transgender boy moves within 1 win of girls Texas title

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CYPRESS, Texas (AP) — A 17-year-old transgender boy moved within one match of winning a Texas state girls wrestling title.

Mack Beggs pinned Kailyn Clay to improve to 56-0, putting him in Saturday afternoon's championship match.

Beggs is a junior from Euless Trinity in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. His family has said he would rather be wrestling boys. Some girls and their advocates agree.

They say the testosterone Beggs has been taking while transitioning from female to male has made him too strong to wrestle fairly against girls. But state policy calls for students to wrestle against the gender listed on their birth certificates.

So Beggs beat Taylor Latham and Mya Engert handily on Friday before his victory over Clay that sent him to the finals.

In the semifinals, the match was halted for a couple of minutes because Beggs had a bloody nose. Trainers finally managed to stop the bleeding and the fight resumed. Not long after, Beggs slammed Clay on the mat and pinned her.

He and Clay shared a long hug before an official raised Beggs' arm to signal victory, and the wrestler scurried off the mat. Clay's coached shouted to reporters that she "did not have permission" to talk to them after her loss and both of her parents declined comment.

Beggs, who reached the state tournament after two opponents forfeited, will face Chelsea Sanchez for a shot at a state title.

Beggs' participation comes at a crucial moment, with the public and politicians debating the growing belief that gender is fluid. Just this week, the Trump administration announced an end to federal protections that allowed transgender students to use facilities based on their gender identity, leaving states and school districts to determine their own policies.

And in Texas, lawmakers are considering a bill similar to HB2, the North Carolina law that prompted the NBA to move this year's All-Star Game out of that state. If passed, the Texas version, called SB6, would require transgender people to use the bathroom of their "biological sex."

The University Interscholastic League, which oversees athletics in Texas public schools, enacted the birth certificate policy Aug. 1.

Attorney Jim Baudhuin tried and failed to get injunctions before both the district and regional meets to prevent Beggs from competing while he transitions. He told The Associated Press earlier this week he doesn't blame Beggs for the situation, but faults the UIL.

"The more I learn about this, the more I realize that she's just trying to live her life and her family is, too," Baudhuin said. "She's being forced into that position. Who knows, through discovery we may find out that's not the case. But every indication is, the way the winds are going now, the blame rests with the UIL and the superintendents."

Despite criticism of the policy, UIL executives don't envision a change.

"Ninety-five percent of the school superintendents in Texas voted for the rule as it was proposed, which was to use birth certificates," UIL deputy director Jamey Harrison said. "So any rule can be reconsidered, but ... given the overwhelming support for that rule, I don't expect it to change anytime soon."
 

Ghost Bro

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So basically they are giving this gal testosterone and she's smashing everybody

Pretty good case study for MMA..Yh testosterone works
 

Jesus X

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So it is a woman who is be becoming a man I thought it was the other way around. Shouldn't this count as taking performance enhancing drugs.
 

Kingtony87

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I would say they should just throw her in with the guys if that's her prerogative but the problem in that comes when we get more like fallon fox.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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They shouldn't have boys and girls sports anyways. That shit's discriminatory. Girls are just as good as boys, so why segregate them? Unless you're some sort of "ist" of course.
 

jasonhightower

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An unintended consequence of that policy IMHO. Oops.
Yep...

"Ninety-five percent of the school superintendents in Texas voted for the rule as it was proposed, which was to use birth certificates," Harrison said. "So any rule can be reconsidered, but ... given the overwhelming support for that rule, I don't expect it to change anytime soon."
 

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Yep...

"Ninety-five percent of the school superintendents in Texas voted for the rule as it was proposed, which was to use birth certificates," Harrison said. "So any rule can be reconsidered, but ... given the overwhelming support for that rule, I don't expect it to change anytime soon."
Lulz.

Should just say, transgender students compete in the boys division. Could add: if they were born male or have any hormone therapy.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Lulz.

Should just say, transgender students compete in the boys division. Could add: if they were born male or have any hormone therapy.
Wouldn't the caveat of "hormone therapy" then require drug testing? Seems like a slippery slope. Seems like just leaving it at "Transgender students compete in the boys division" would be adequate.
 

Leigh

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Wouldn't the caveat of "hormone therapy" then require drug testing? Seems like a slippery slope. Seems like just leaving it at "Transgender students compete in the boys division" would be adequate.
I think so but some wrestlers may be transitioning from girl to boy and not be on HRT yet, which shouldn't prohibit them from the girls division.
 

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So basically they are giving this gal testosterone and she's smashing everybody

Pretty good case study for MMA..Yh testosterone works
Especially in women who have naturally lower testosterone. Women cheats get a bigger advantage over their fellow competitors than men.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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I think so but some wrestlers may be transitioning from girl to boy and not be on HRT yet, which shouldn't prohibit them from the girls division.
Outside of drug testing them, there's no way to verify whether or not it's true. That's a pretty big burden to put on a high school sports program, and don't you dare put it past parents to lie about so their kids can be the best.
 

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Kelly Paul was a BJJer in similar circumstances at ADCC 2007. He was born female and was transitioning to male. Ralph Gracie student. I was there live and watched him crush many of his opponents in the women's division, but he lost in the finals at weight and took third in absolute. From what I recall, Kelly wanted to get in the men's division, but was disallowed. He also faced a lot of jeers from the douchebags in the stands.
 

Leigh

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Outside of drug testing them, there's no way to verify whether or not it's true. That's a pretty big burden to put on a high school sports program, and don't you dare put it past parents to lie about so their kids can be the best.
Ok but innocent until proven guilty. Wearing boys clothes and calling yourself Martin doesn't mean you're a drug cheat.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Ok but innocent until proven guilty. Wearing boys clothes and calling yourself Martin doesn't mean you're a drug cheat.
I'm not suggesting it's a perfect solution, but it's the most reasonable one. Wearing boys clothes and calling yourself Martin doesn't mean you're a drug cheat, but it does mean you identify as a male. The reality is this situation is fairly unique and extremely unlikely to become a common occurrence.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Kelly Paul was a BJJer in similar circumstances at ADCC 2007. He was born female and was transitioning to male. Ralph Gracie student. I was there live and watched him crush many of his opponents in the women's division, but he lost in the finals at weight and took third in absolute. From what I recall, Kelly wanted to get in the men's division, but was disallowed. He also faced a lot of jeers from the douchebags in the stands.
Given the typical demographic of those tourneys, I'm not at all surprised.
 

Leigh

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I'm not suggesting it's a perfect solution, but it's the most reasonable one. Wearing boys clothes and calling yourself Martin doesn't mean you're a drug cheat, but it does mean you identify as a male. The reality is this situation is fairly unique and extremely unlikely to become a common occurrence.
How do you enforce that?
 

Leigh

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As you said earlier, if you were born a boy, or identify as such, you compete in the boys division.
Ok but if they're born a girl and tell the wrestling program they identify as a girl, then what?

They could go on hormones anyway, just not disclose it.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Ok but if they're born a girl and tell the wrestling program they identify as a girl, then what?

They could go on hormones anyway, just not disclose it.
You think if a girl was walking around their high school calling themselves Martin and dressing like a boy that'd stay a secret for very long?
 

Leigh

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You think if a girl was walking around their high school calling themselves Martin and dressing like a boy that'd stay a secret for very long?
No but again, how do enforce that?

"You can't wrestle the other girls because you wear boys clothes and use a different name at school."