TJ, Sage, Conor...Egg is gay for their hair.
Demetrious Johnson (Mighty Mouse) on Ray Borg/TJ situation and disagreement with Dana White
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It's all about not getting on his shit list, because he will try to ruin a fighters value (and career) thru the media if they don't do exactly what he wants. We've seen it with GSP, Nick and Nate, Mighty Mouse, etc. It was going that direction with Conor for a minute, before Dana got on board with the idea of him fighting Mayweather.
Basically any fighter that can make the UFC money, but wants their fair share...that's who Dana has a problem with. It's greed and delusion, plain and simple. He thinks the UFC brand (and himself to some extent) is what people pay to see, and therefore he and the company should earn the lions share, while the fighters should feel blessed to be in the UFC.
Still can't believe the fighters haven't organized. It's mind boggling.
Basically any fighter that can make the UFC money, but wants their fair share...that's who Dana has a problem with. It's greed and delusion, plain and simple. He thinks the UFC brand (and himself to some extent) is what people pay to see, and therefore he and the company should earn the lions share, while the fighters should feel blessed to be in the UFC.
Still can't believe the fighters haven't organized. It's mind boggling.
I can't believe how many people have endorsed Dana strong arming a champion and threatening to blow up a division, especially when that champion has been as dominant and is historically someone who has been a team player. Mighty Mouse deserves support.
He's not picking his own fights, DJ simply doesn't want to get fucked over for PPV points and more money down the road. It has zero to do with picking who he *wants* to fight rather how much they're dicking him around to fight certain people.
This situation is a lot more complicated than that.
This is kind of an interesting litmus test for seeing just how much effective power the UFC has. MM is kind of unassailable, here, i.e. has toed the company line with very little public complaint up to now, & this is a whistleblower situation, where he's a relatively ideal whistleblower (i.e. competent in his profession, spotless reputation publicly, relatively unassailable personally).
The normal progression in a whistleblower situation would be for the UFC to actively seek to get other fighters & influential personalities in the fight world to circle up wagons and make public statements denouncing MM, and for that to lead to others coming forward who were afraid to do so until someone more unassailable than they are, or braver than they are, to come forward first.
If the wagon circling leads to a Barbra Streisand effect, a long protracted war will follow. It doesn't look like that's gonna happen. UFC is probably too powerful.
If MM speaking up can't lead to a larger scale push back, good luck with *anybody* being the spark to lead a charge like that. There would have to be a major "smoking gun" situation for anything to happen, and there are already plenty of those laying around over the years.
The normal progression in a whistleblower situation would be for the UFC to actively seek to get other fighters & influential personalities in the fight world to circle up wagons and make public statements denouncing MM, and for that to lead to others coming forward who were afraid to do so until someone more unassailable than they are, or braver than they are, to come forward first.
If the wagon circling leads to a Barbra Streisand effect, a long protracted war will follow. It doesn't look like that's gonna happen. UFC is probably too powerful.
If MM speaking up can't lead to a larger scale push back, good luck with *anybody* being the spark to lead a charge like that. There would have to be a major "smoking gun" situation for anything to happen, and there are already plenty of those laying around over the years.
strip DJ and have TJ and Borg fight for the belt? that'd be the ultimate fuck you imo
again, the story is deeper and there is shit that's not fair to dj
Serious question: why in the world would you want to see DJ fucked, here? IMO the reason you gave already is flimsy & already answered. Like, personally, why in the world would you want to see DJ fucked, assuming what he claimed is true?
i'm not saying they should, i'm saying i think it's the most dick move dana could make
For a dude that got super upset about some mean things being said about magana on the internet you sure don't seem to have much support for a fighter who is getting fucked over and the 'fighter bashed' in public by the UFC.
How long have you followed this sport? for it to get this point, where a gentleman like MM comes out and airs his grievances like this to public, then we as fans should give him the due respect to listen and try to understand both sides of the story.
You seriously want to strip MM of his title because he wanted to fight a challenger (from another division) on better terms? or at least have a partial say in the matter?
Yeah, there is really no rationally valid reason to support stripping DJ if he refuses TJ.
TJ isn't ranked in the division (has never even fought in the division) & there are already ranked #1-#? challengers (however fake/bogus the ranking process may be, there is a ranking process & an official rankings list). If they just arbitrarily insert TJ into the 125 rankings (there is no way to insert him in the top 10, other than arbitrarily), then the rational spot for outrage would be toward the rankings process, since it would obviously be injust/fake.
Conventionally, the reason you strip a champion is a refusal to fight the ranked #1 contender within a certain period of time following the last championship fight.
If you think the boxing tradition's conventions are wrong, you're kind of obligated to at least give a valid explanation as to why.
If you think fighters should just do whatever the UFC says, obviously there is a malfunction in your thinking (note use of "if"! Am not flaming/trolling).
TJ isn't ranked in the division (has never even fought in the division) & there are already ranked #1-#? challengers (however fake/bogus the ranking process may be, there is a ranking process & an official rankings list). If they just arbitrarily insert TJ into the 125 rankings (there is no way to insert him in the top 10, other than arbitrarily), then the rational spot for outrage would be toward the rankings process, since it would obviously be injust/fake.
Conventionally, the reason you strip a champion is a refusal to fight the ranked #1 contender within a certain period of time following the last championship fight.
If you think the boxing tradition's conventions are wrong, you're kind of obligated to at least give a valid explanation as to why.
If you think fighters should just do whatever the UFC says, obviously there is a malfunction in your thinking (note use of "if"! Am not flaming/trolling).
Do you see me insulting anybody? I just said a champion should have no say in who he fights
Imo the problem is that the UFC has made it clear that the person you fight may end up dictating how much you are paid. E.g. the Tony Ferguson situation, and for MM, the situation of them saying whether he can be on a ppv or not.
Because they are tying the two together, instead of just saying you get the same cut no matter the opponent, they have made match-making part of the basic contractor-client fee negotiation, and thus made it imperative for fighters to have a say in who they fight.
It was always important because you want a PPV to sell, but this is much more exaggerated than that to me, and more arbitrary.
Its important to distinguish what's good for fans and what's good for fighters. Currently some Zuffa shit are good for fans, superfights are for fans (even though mostly for new ones but still). I want them to unionise, so I like this jabber. A union would most likely come to a reasonable agreement behind exciting/worthy fights.
Actually, compare recent events with Urijah Faber's situation. He always said he gets paid the same no matter who he fights, so he never really turned down anyone, and he believed in giving up-and-comers their shot.
Of course, he took a major hit negotiating for a higher contract because they made him ineligible for bonuses. And he is one of the worst cases of a fighter making only a fraction of what he was actually worth to the company. But aside from that, he put on some great shows, and Jimmie Rivera, a possible future champ, now has Faber on his resume.
Of course, he took a major hit negotiating for a higher contract because they made him ineligible for bonuses. And he is one of the worst cases of a fighter making only a fraction of what he was actually worth to the company. But aside from that, he put on some great shows, and Jimmie Rivera, a possible future champ, now has Faber on his resume.
You're supporting a corporation bashing its fighters and spreading lies about them in the media instead of sticking up for the fighter.
This diametrically opposes the viewpoint you took here while stating that the whole website was no longer good do to a few people 'bashing' a 'fighter'.
Your logic is not consistent on this issue.
You've lost me
Dana and company have said and done worse things to DJ yet you support them changing his opponent after strong arming him into a fight he didn't want and you are saying that he should fight whoever they provide. And yet it's a problem when someone says something mean about some instagram ass model.
I don't understand why you can't see the opposing parallels to your arguments.
I don't see a parallel at all. I never heard Dana bash him either besides saying the flyweight don't draw.
And what does an internet forum with a no fighter bashing rule have to do with me wanting MM to fight TJ and not hand pick a different opponent.
And what does an internet forum with a no fighter bashing rule have to do with me wanting MM to fight TJ and not hand pick a different opponent.