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La Paix

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My definition of uniform has to do with the standards themselves, not the individual committing them. Whether it's forgivable for a mentally disabled person to randomly punch someone in the face because they don't know any better does not change the moral reality of the situation, i.e. it is not acceptable to punch someone in the face. You said can a media company be held to the same moral standard as a bunch of reddit users (in either case an assemblage of individuals) and the answer is yes. Doxing is either bad on the face of it, or it isn't. Whether it's legally permissible or whether there are caveats that might permit it (as with the mentally handicapped person punching a person in the face) is a separate matter with more room for shades of gray.

I agree with your characterization of CNN's actions. My comments about the state vs the media are just my own tangentially related musings because I find this political moment so curious.
Whether it's the morals or the people you still won't get a uniform outcome I'm afraid.

Imo doxxing is a shitty thing to do but you need to take into account CNNs audience is massive. Getting doxed by them is on another level and they know it, that's why they used it as a threat.
 

Freeloading Rusty

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I like that Trump triggered you so badly to alter your entire reality and view of the universe. Everything is Trump or anti-Trump.
How is what I posted an altered view of anything?

A CNN / Trump doxxing situation reminded me of a Trump supporter doxxing situation. Seems like a logical connection to me.

I like that me bringing up another doxxing incident has triggered you so bad, you mad.

 
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As far as I can tell. There are two kinds of people in America ( granted I haven't met them all)

1. Trump supporter. Believes in advancing the human race and generally not being a whiny momo.

2. Everyone else. Whiny Momo's.
 

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As far as I can tell. There are two kinds of people in America ( granted I haven't met them all)

1. Trump supporter. Believes in advancing the human race and generally not being a whiny momo.

2. Everyone else. Whiny Momo's.
sounds like you've met 3 Americans.
 
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How is what I posted an altered view of anything?

A CNN / Trump doxxing situation reminded me of a Trump supporter doxxing situation. Seems like a logical connection to me.

I like that me bringing up another doxxing incident has triggered you so bad, you mad.


Four edits...who's mad?
 

Gay For Longo

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Are you really trying to suggest that the only thing wrong with doxing and targeting people in real life is the amount of people you share it with?
Once again
Fuck CNN, fuck antifa
Going by your earlier logic you should be perfectly fine doxxing these fucks
But that only works when it goes in your favor eh?
 

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Yes. Moral standards exist because they are meant to be uniform. The moral issue here isn't whether corporate doxing is bad vs user doxing, but whether doxing or the threat of it is.

As I mentioned a few posts up, legal liabilities and protections vary somewhat with media entities. To me, CNN acted distastefully because their feeling that they should defend themselves in such a way is pretty ludicrous, but the story they are in effect sitting on is outing an anonymous actor operating in the public sphere, which has plenty of precedents in media like people trying to discover the identity of the creator of bitcoin or who banksy is. Ostensibly media has latitude to seek answers to these questions because it's in the public interest (i.e. curiosity).

But it's sleazy. And publishing a story gloating about it is even sleazier. What mystifies me about this whole thing though is how there seems to be a general sentiment that a media company is the "bad guy" and the state is "the good guy" masquerading under a vague premise of sticking up for the little guy. Media is now in this broad catch all of "elites" while a corporatist government is seen as worthy of defending, which was the point of the meme maker himself in his original meme.

CNN has been due a comeuppance for years for various reasons, but this situation has been deliberately signal boosted by various media companies and corporate actors with their own agendas for wanting them discredited (the state among them). It's a political position to side with that faction because they are contesting this incident on political grounds.

What has always disturbed me most when people get into squabbles on digital platforms is that there is a notion that it is "the internet" vs. X. As if the internet weren't itself made up of various interest groups, political ideologues and corporate actors, or worse, as if it was equivalent to the idea of We the People when it's usually just one interest group today and another tomorrow.

Tl/dr: CNN acted foolishly. People outraged about it should at least be consistent.
I like your overall message but disagree on a couple points
1 - CNN (a major news network) made a threat not only to that user, that threat went out to all internet users who create memes as a form of satire
That is why everyone is so behind this guy and taking it as a "vs internet" thing
If the people don't stand up against this, we are essentially saying that we will accept a news organization to target US, if they are unhappy with what we post

2 - I'm not for doxxing people, however, when a major organization makes threats to a private fucking citizen.... fuck em
 

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I think that sounds nice on the surface and in theory but it's no way one should expect society to act. What's your definition of uniform? At what age or point in someone's life are they expected to have these morals to stand by regardless of who they are or what they do for a living? I'd like to think that most people would recognize doxxing a threat, I didn't even think that was being questioned here.


For myself this has little if any to do with the state. I haven't viewed this as CNN vs Trump or whoever you are referencing. I see this as CNN using intimidation tactics to silence somebody over a gif they didn't like.
This!
I think he's viewing it as a Trump vs CNN because Trump is featured in all of the memes
It is important to remember that all of these memes are being made to trigger the fuck out of CNN, guess who triggers CNN
It's CNN vs the people not the state
 

Freeloading Rusty

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Four edits...who's mad?
Since you have the advantage of seeing all the edits, why dont you share with everyone what they were.

Basic grammar and adding in a picture.

Seems to be your go-to come back these days, oh someone edited their post.
 
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Since you have the advantage of seeing all the edits, why dont you share with everyone what they were.

Basic grammar and adding in a picture.

Seems to be your go-to come back these days, oh someone edited their post.

Nah man, just the guy feverishly editing his post while claiming everyone is mad.



Something about kitchen and heat...







I was just screwing with you here, but I do keep pointing your edits out since it continues to preclude me from quoting you in a real time conversation, as the post is constantly different than before I hit the quote button.
 

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Well, it's very simple, who is attacking the little guy? Also, it's a result of a growing sentiment against the media. We are in trouble if we believe the government over the media, but that is basically where we are at.

You make a joke on this site. Joke goes viral. Crazy prez tweets it. Success yay? Nay. Because out there a media outlet is going after you now. The state, or defending this corporate state, has little to do with it.

While Trump's stock cannot plummet any further, CNN is still a business, and has the responsibility to report on the news, but they're taking on water because they are not focused on reporting the news. They are on an alledged witch hunt, which as of now, does not only include Trump.

How can the media lose so much with a president as Trump? It is practically a gold mine, viewership galore! But I feel they are on this crusade for justice, a misplaced, self-appointed cross to bear. While all they have to do is report and let Trump do the rest.
News is no longer non biased, it's entertainment headlines.

Ted Kopple dropping truth like a savage.



 

kneeblock

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I like your overall message but disagree on a couple points
1 - CNN (a major news network) made a threat not only to that user, that threat went out to all internet users who create memes as a form of satire
That is why everyone is so behind this guy and taking it as a "vs internet" thing
If the people don't stand up against this, we are essentially saying that we will accept a news organization to target US, if they are unhappy with what we post

2 - I'm not for doxxing people, however, when a major organization makes threats to a private fucking citizen.... fuck em
See, point 1 is the one I'm not sold on. Internet users who create memes is a very broad catch all that conflates the medium with the message. I feel like that's like saying threatening someone who wrote a letter saying "F you CNN" has now suddenly attacked all letter writers, which is of course silly. This notion of "the internet" usually refers to a specific class of highly active social media posters online. Those who fall into either category can generally be said to be:

1) In white collar or professional occupations or unemployed in middle class homes
2) Having surplus time on their hands
3) Possessing knowledge and fluency on how to use digital tools
4) Well networked in person and/or online with users of similar backgrounds

These characteristics are what it takes to boost messages. It's a decidedly petite-bourgeois collective, not a group of "little guys" for the most part. Traditionally, the media was supposed to be the advocate for this class and the working class, but in recent years it's come to be perceived as more of an instrument for the ruling class and to a lesser extent the bourgeoisie proper. So the solidarity around a content creator/remixer who is part of this class is mostly reactionism against that shift. In reality, since no one knows the user's identity at present, no one knows whether exactly they are an agent of the state, an innocent kid in their mom's basement or a hired ad executive. Immediately embracing them as part of the nebulous "internet" means they are one of some vague "us" when they may be anyone. It's a dangerous trend, in my view, that gives too much benefit of the doubt to agenda peddlers. And in this particular case, since the head of state and his acolytes are using it to stoke discontent against their critics in broadcast media, it seems like it should be greeted with some skepticism.

We know that people have been paid to boost signals and create inflammatory content even in our own beloved sport of MMA, to say nothing of in the lead up to last year's election. Bearing that in mind it's prudent to ask who really benefits from a narrative of battle between "the internet" and institutional media.
 
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1) In white collar or professional occupations or unemployed in middle class homes
2) Having surplus time on their hands
3) Possessing knowledge and fluency on how to use digital tools
4) Well networked in person and/or online with users of similar backgrounds

These characteristics are what it takes to boost messages. It's a decidedly petite-bourgeois collective, not a group of "little guys" for the most part. Traditionally,

I think you underestimate the NEET representation here. This is straight 4chan basement dweller meme making in the fingerprints.
 

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See, point 1 is the one I'm not sold on. Internet users who create memes is a very broad catch all that conflates the medium with the message. I feel like that's like saying threatening someone who wrote a letter saying "F you CNN" has now suddenly attacked all letter writers, which is of course silly. This notion of "the internet" usually refers to a specific class of highly active social media posters online. Those who fall into either category can generally be said to be:

1) In white collar or professional occupations or unemployed in middle class homes
2) Having surplus time on their hands
3) Possessing knowledge and fluency on how to use digital tools
4) Well networked in person and/or online with users of similar backgrounds

These characteristics are what it takes to boost messages. It's a decidedly petite-bourgeois collective, not a group of "little guys" for the most part. Traditionally, the media was supposed to be the advocate for this class and the working class, but in recent years it's come to be perceived as more of an instrument for the ruling class and to a lesser extent the bourgeoisie proper. So the solidarity around a content creator/remixer who is part of this class is mostly reactionism against that shift. In reality, since no one knows the user's identity at present, no one knows whether exactly they are an agent of the state, an innocent kid in their mom's basement or a hired ad executive. Immediately embracing them as part of the nebulous "internet" means they are one of some vague "us" when they may be anyone. It's a dangerous trend, in my view, that gives too much benefit of the doubt to agenda peddlers. And in this particular case, since the head of state and his acolytes are using it to stoke discontent against their critics in broadcast media, it seems like it should be greeted with some skepticism.

We know that people have been paid to boost signals and create inflammatory content even in our own beloved sport of MMA, to say nothing of in the lead up to last year's election. Bearing that in mind it's prudent to ask who really benefits from a narrative of battle between "the internet" and institutional media.
I'm pretty tired so this might not come out right, sorry if it doesn't make sense
First off, if an anonymous person wrote a letter to CNN that says fuck you, then employees of CNN track down this person, then CNN releases a tweet that this person has apologized and because of that they will not release their identity, but if CNN is offended again they will release private information of a private citizen
if it happened like that, I believe that would be a threat to any person who has the ability to write in an offending letter to cnn
By making that threat/warning public, I personally take that a threat to all of us. when I read that tweet, I read it as, if any of us offend them, they feel it's fine to target us and release our information
I can respect if you can't see it like that, but I can tell you 100% personally, that's why I flipped out and have participated to a certain degree

"The internet" isn't refering to just people in those 4 categories, come on
1 - what about late high school people who have jobs working at McDonald's?
What about people like myself who are really good on computers but have always worked "blue collar" jobs because we like to use our hands and build things?
I could keep going, but this one is way off
2 - surplus of time isn't true either, it really doesn't take that much time to follow various social media and participate on forums like 4chan
3 - this one I agree to a point, you won't see many people 60+ being in that community but these days, anybody under 30 either has the knowledge to use digital tools, or they have the knowledge of where to look to find out how to use those tools
4 - I don't think you need to be well connected at all. all you have to do is follow the right couple people, lurk 4chn and Reddit and you really never have to interact with anybody ever

It doesn't even have to be people who are doing the memes, doxxings or have ever gone on 4chan to see how CNN is in the wrong and this needs to be stopped imo

I think you have it backwards man, even if a couple guys are not what you would consider "the little guy", the large majority is imo

Interesting you bring up the story could not be as it seems. there is an interesting theory going around that the Twitter account is either a fabrication or controlled by CNN, remember trumps tweet has a different meme than the one alleged to have been created by the person CNN threatened.
Theory goes that CNN saw this as a way that could scare people away from doing these memes but it blew up in their face

Really who knows
I see it as a way of them trying to censor the internet which I am strongly against
I've been wrong before though
 

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I'm pretty tired so this might not come out right, sorry if it doesn't make sense
First off, if an anonymous person wrote a letter to CNN that says fuck you, then employees of CNN track down this person, then CNN releases a tweet that this person has apologized and because of that they will not release their identity, but if CNN is offended again they will release private information of a private citizen
if it happened like that, I believe that would be a threat to any person who has the ability to write in an offending letter to cnn
By making that threat/warning public, I personally take that a threat to all of us. when I read that tweet, I read it as, if any of us offend them, they feel it's fine to target us and release our information
I can respect if you can't see it like that, but I can tell you 100% personally, that's why I flipped out and have participated to a certain degree

"The internet" isn't refering to just people in those 4 categories, come on
1 - what about late high school people who have jobs working at McDonald's?
What about people like myself who are really good on computers but have always worked "blue collar" jobs because we like to use our hands and build things?
I could keep going, but this one is way off
2 - surplus of time isn't true either, it really doesn't take that much time to follow various social media and participate on forums like 4chan
3 - this one I agree to a point, you won't see many people 60+ being in that community but these days, anybody under 30 either has the knowledge to use digital tools, or they have the knowledge of where to look to find out how to use those tools
4 - I don't think you need to be well connected at all. all you have to do is follow the right couple people, lurk 4chn and Reddit and you really never have to interact with anybody ever

It doesn't even have to be people who are doing the memes, doxxings or have ever gone on 4chan to see how CNN is in the wrong and this needs to be stopped imo

I think you have it backwards man, even if a couple guys are not what you would consider "the little guy", the large majority is imo

Interesting you bring up the story could not be as it seems. there is an interesting theory going around that the Twitter account is either a fabrication or controlled by CNN, remember trumps tweet has a different meme than the one alleged to have been created by the person CNN threatened.
Theory goes that CNN saw this as a way that could scare people away from doing these memes but it blew up in their face

Really who knows
I see it as a way of them trying to censor the internet which I am strongly against
I've been wrong before though
You make good points, but let me clarify mine a little.

People online obviously are not wholly comprised of individuals who meet the 4 criteria I posted above. But the majority of users who reshare content that ends up getting widely dispersed fall into those categories. So it's not just the content creators, but the signal boosters that I'm talking about here. The way information diffuses in networks is fairly well studied and follows certain rules that are pretty consistent.

So what I'm critiquing is the idea of "the internet" as breathlessly reported on in popular media, usually the blogosphere, e.g. "the internet is freaking out about Jon Jones new Bentley" or "Dana White says he's killing the flyweight division and the internet is not having it" etc. There are users whose voices matter more (to institutions) online and they usually correspond to voices that meet the criteria above. The UFC is actually a perfect example as they stopped listening to the goofs on message boards who were their most rabid entrenched fan base and started paying attention to twitter users because of their network influence among other things.

So obviously the internet is everyone online, but "the internet" as talked about in the blogosphere is usually a bit more loaded. Reddit, a popular propagator of viral content is a good example of the criteria above. Here is a link to some of its demographics.

1. Reddit news users more likely to be male, young and digital in their news preferences

Does that clarify what I'm getting at at all? As for your point about CNN publicizing their action, I agree it does come across as menacing and sleazy and a sort of shot across the bow at critics, which I'm glad people are criticizing them for. Yossarian @Yossarian summed it up well. They're getting down in the mud when they should just be reporting. I wouldn't doubt the decision to investigate that user and make it public was just a couple people being like "yknow what, F this guy. Let's ruin this a-hole's day" which was essentially them taking the bait.
 

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Nothing to do with the White House vs CNN to me. I think our Gov't is full of corruption, and Trump won't change that. But I think CNN, from the top down, is the most corrupt media entity in the world and we will all be better off the day it implodes. It makes me feel warm and fuzzy that CNN is finally being exposed.