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BeardOfKnowledge

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You're partially correct.

The costs won't go down but they may not rise so fast which would still be a benefit going forward.
I can promise you. If those classes sit empty because people can't afford to go, the prices will come down. Education and health care are the only things that haven't come down in price, think about it.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Yes, but the schools should be held accountable, after all, they really got all the money.
When enrollment goes down they'll be very much accountable. We've recently seen it here. The ROI on university degrees has gotten so low that people won't take on the debt load required to go. Guess what the post secondary institutions did?
 

Yossarian

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When enrollment goes down they'll be very much accountable. We've recently seen it here. The ROI on university degrees has gotten so low that people won't take on the debt load required to go. Guess what the post secondary institutions did?
Same goes for healthcare. Get the government out of it.
 

kneeblock

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A big part of the infinitely rising school costs stemmed from the governments involvement in loans. There was a time before that where people could work their way through school. It was government loans that allowed schools to raise their rates. It's entirely possible that if admission numbers go down so will tuition costs. It's also a fallacy that education is the only path to a better life. The unemployment rates of university graduates in their respective fields demonstrates this.
The employment rates in respective fields have nothing to do with how we measure educational attainment as a predictor of social mobility. Our measures are much more straightforward than that (i.e. some college, college degree, graduate or professional education vs. None plus are you employed). Also, there is no causal link between rising levels of student aid, at least in the US, and rising costs of education. The cost of education does positively associate with policy changes in availability of increased aid in private universities, but the vast majority of students in the US attend public colleges and universities where the effect has never been measured and where tuitions are much more subject to price controls. What changes we have seen in those private institutions are short term thus far and there's no exponential growth pattern. Also, there are plenty of exogenous factors also related to that small growth (eg rising admin costs, increased demand) that show just as much if not more relationship to private tuition increases.
 

kneeblock

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That wouldn't be too crazy actually. I'm not sure if that's the current process?

12,000 of it is tax free per the tax plans.

I paid college out of my work wage. It was taxed then I paid with post tax dollars.

If my college is free via scholarship or grant, should it be taxed too? I'm getting a financial benefit.

I'd say yes in the current system.

But greater, I'd let all college tuition (not the stupid loan interest) be tax deductible. Though, the GOP plan seems to be focused on getting some buyers' skin in the game for immediate costs of college education. I'm not sure it'll work without an associated subsidizing of campuses directly, which isn't on the table to my knowledge.
Put it to you like this: my taxable income is jumping $33K in the GOP plan.
 

Yossarian

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Also, there is no causal link between rising levels of student aid, at least in the US, and rising costs of education.
What are some other possible reasons? The costs of education went from attainable to staggering. We're talking about a bubble here. Lots of vague talk about something that is obviously there. Have teachers and proffesors started earning substantially more?
 

SuperPig

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What are some other possible reasons? The costs of education went from attainable to staggering. We're talking about a bubble here. Lots of vague talk about something that is obviously there. Have teachers and proffesors started earning substantially more?
The facility costs and upkeep has went up by an insane amount.
 

SuperPig

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has the number of professors per head count of students increased by a corresponding insane amount?
Depends on the facility.

A lot are just building ridiculous new halls and dorms and remodeling to be pretty. These new facilities then require more support staff to operate and maintain them.

So in many cases, the cost of education rising has little to do with professors or even classes.

It's facilities taking advantage of students having easier access to money to increase costs to fund sometimes useless bullshit.

So it's more administration and nicer rooms to teach in.

But I'm sure that the facilities would also argue that they have to do the upgrades to make sure that students keep coming so that they can keep feeding the beasts and they're also not wrong.
 
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Everybody knows that Republicans just like to help the already rich and that they don't give a fuck about anyone who makes less than 150k per year...
 

Truck Party

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Depends on the facility.

A lot are just building ridiculous new halls and dorms and remodeling to be pretty. These new facilities then require more support staff to operate and maintain them.

So in many cases, the cost of education rising has little to do with professors or even classes.

It's facilities taking advantage of students having easier access to money to increase costs to fund sometimes useless bullshit.

So it's more administration and nicer rooms to teach in.

But I'm sure that the facilities would also argue that they have to do the upgrades to make sure that students keep coming so that they can keep feeding the beasts and they're also not wrong.
that's pretty much what I was going to say, aside from the last line, I think students would begin to take a much different view of new buildings, etc. if there wasn't the easy access to money.
 

Hauler

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Depends on the facility.

A lot are just building ridiculous new halls and dorms and remodeling to be pretty. These new facilities then require more support staff to operate and maintain them.

So in many cases, the cost of education rising has little to do with professors or even classes.

It's facilities taking advantage of students having easier access to money to increase costs to fund sometimes useless bullshit.

So it's more administration and nicer rooms to teach in.

But I'm sure that the facilities would also argue that they have to do the upgrades to make sure that students keep coming so that they can keep feeding the beasts and they're also not wrong.
The whole thing is a scam.
College - Give us a shit ton of money so you can put off life for 4 or 5 more years.
 

Truck Party

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Depends on the facility.

A lot are just building ridiculous new halls and dorms and remodeling to be pretty. These new facilities then require more support staff to operate and maintain them.

So in many cases, the cost of education rising has little to do with professors or even classes.

It's facilities taking advantage of students having easier access to money to increase costs to fund sometimes useless bullshit.

So it's more administration and nicer rooms to teach in.

But I'm sure that the facilities would also argue that they have to do the upgrades to make sure that students keep coming so that they can keep feeding the beasts and they're also not wrong.
well I just reread your post I originally responded too, I thought you said faculty no facility. jesus, I'm sober too
 

Yossarian

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The facility costs and upkeep has went up by an insane amount.
Yeah, they charge more for it. That is it. Hospitals are charging for a glass of water, and big time as well because they count on the insurance money making it good. Money funneling I call it. Healthcare is an industry, made for profit. And profit they do.
 

kneeblock

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What are some other possible reasons? The costs of education went from attainable to staggering. We're talking about a bubble here. Lots of vague talk about something that is obviously there. Have teachers and proffesors started earning substantially more?
Read the last couple sentences of the same post.
 

Yossarian

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Read the last couple sentences of the same post.
They cannot possibly explain the staggering amount tuition has risen. There's less paperwork than ever, more automated systems, more online courses than ever, more outlandish degrees people are willing to pay for than ever.

We are talking about a tuition that has quadrupled in cost here. It has all the signs of a bubble.

We have now 1.2 trillion give or take in student loan debts, talking about an epidemic, that is not simply due to the imaginary rising administrative costs. It's a business strategy, and it works. The cost will only rise, and it will keep on rising. The reason? No, not administrative costs, not cuts in funding, it is the ease we get these huge governemnt loans, the school makes monay, the government owns you, and makes money, everybody happy right? It has become a scam, a degree is like a UFC belt now.
 

SuperPig

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They cannot possibly explain the staggering amount tuition has risen. There's less paperwork than ever, more automated systems, more online courses than ever, more outlandish degrees people are willing to pay for than ever.

We are talking about a tuition that has quadrupled in cost here. It has all the signs of a bubble.

We have now 1.2 trillion give or take in student loan debts, talking about an epidemic, that is not simply due to the imaginary rising administrative costs. It's a business strategy, and it works. The cost will only rise, and it will keep on rising. The reason? No, not administrative costs, not cuts in funding, it is the ease we get these huge governemnt loans, the school makes monay, the government owns you, and makes money, everybody happy right? It has become a scam, a degree is like a UFC belt now.
I didn't want to mark that as funny but the last line got me.