Shit that happened that he was never properly held to account for.Been around forever. Great guy.
Everyone makes mistakes. You clowns are talking about shit that happened like 25 years ago.
Shit that happened that he was never properly held to account for.Been around forever. Great guy.
Everyone makes mistakes. You clowns are talking about shit that happened like 25 years ago.
Is there any evidence the promoters told him to do that? That's even more fucked up if true and doesn't absolve BJM at all - it makes it worse.Those old violent stoppages were in the days before regulation. Promoter controlled all including the ref. Promoter wanted BJM to step in violently. Different world back then.
BJM was one of the biggest factors in creating the unified rules and in leading the sport to regulation. Huge influence in creating consistent scoring and reffing for the sport. Has consistently erred on the side of fighter safety in helping the sport grow. He has undoubtedly earned his good reputation in the sport. Very few have done more for the sport's positive growth than him.
Yes. BJM has said so on many occasions. I believe Art Davie verified as well. If memory serves correct it was Art’s idea. It was a different era. Can’t judge it by today’s standards. That would be like getting upset by Royce hair pulling or Tank fish hooking or whoever it was that threw those groin strikes at Joe San. Different world back then.Is there any evidence the promoters told him to do that? That's even more fucked up if true and doesn't absolve BJM at all - it makes it worse.
Different world or not - it's deliberate assault. Others in this thread claimed that BJM was just aggressively protecting fighters - now it turns out he was deliberately hurting fighters, which is literally the opposite of his job. BJM always could've said no, nobody was forcing him to do it at gunpoint.Yes. BJM has said so on many occasions. I believe Art Davie verified as well. If memory serves correct it was Art’s idea. It was a different era. Can’t judge it by today’s standards. That would be like getting upset by Royce hair pulling or Tank fish hooking or whoever it was that threw those groin strikes at Joe San. Different world back then.
He never agreed to hurt fighters. All that was wanted was for him to break up the fight aggressively when the time for stoppage came.Different world or not - it's deliberate assault. Others in this thread claimed that BJM was just aggressively protecting fighters - now it turns out he was deliberately hurting fighters, which is literally the opposite of his job. BJM always could've said no, nobody was forcing him to do it at gunpoint.
It's also false equivalency to compare the actions of a ref to those of fighters. Keith Hackney was allowed to punch Joe Son's balls and is still looked down upon by some anyway (Joe Son being a piece of rapist shit who deserved it helps Hackney). Refs attacking fighters has nothing to do with the rulesets that were in place.
BJM has done some great things for MMA but this was really bad behavior and it should give people some pause when they heap so much praise on him.
I like you, but you’re reaching.......Different world or not - it's deliberate assault. Others in this thread claimed that BJM was just aggressively protecting fighters - now it turns out he was deliberately hurting fighters, which is literally the opposite of his job. BJM always could've said no, nobody was forcing him to do it at gunpoint.
It's also false equivalency to compare the actions of a ref to those of fighters. Keith Hackney was allowed to punch Joe Son's balls and is still looked down upon by some anyway (Joe Son being a piece of rapist shit who deserved it helps Hackney). Refs attacking fighters has nothing to do with the rulesets that were in place.
BJM has done some great things for MMA but this was really bad behavior and it should give people some pause when they heap so much praise on him.
Final word: breaking up fights aggressively = potentially, and actually, hurting fighters. There seems to be some cognitive dissonance going on with that attempted distinction.He never agreed to hurt fighters. All that was wanted was for him to break up the fight aggressively when the time for stoppage came.
Among his contributions to the sport are creating ref stoppages in the first place.
We can agree to disagree. He’s earned his place in the sports history. If 25 years of my professional life was on film for the public to dissect I’m sure there’d be plenty of room for criticism. Same can be said about almost anyone.
If I was able to recognize my own retardation, then I wouldn't be retarded. So maybe.I like you, but you’re reaching.......
#BigJohnDidNothingWrongShit that happened that he was never properly held to account for.
That is how it could be looked at....I look at it as taking control and letting everyone know that you’re in charge....he may be the coolest guy ever in person, but man does he ever give off the "dick cop" vibe sometimes in the cage...
Fast Fact: The MMA Unified Rules as first presented to the New Jersey State Athletic Control Board in 2001 were almost entirely from Big John and Jeff Blatnick, with some input from Joe Silva. Over 90% of the current rules date back to that version. I believe they even had the current weight classes in them all the way down to Flyweight.Those old violent stoppages were in the days before regulation. Promoter controlled all including the ref. Promoter wanted BJM to step in violently. Different world back then.
BJM was one of the biggest factors in creating the unified rules and in leading the sport to regulation. Huge influence in creating consistent scoring and reffing for the sport. Has consistently erred on the side of fighter safety in helping the sport grow. He has undoubtedly earned his good reputation in the sport. Very few have done more for the sport's positive growth than him.
That was Keith Hackney who waged war upon Joe Sans nads. I still rememberYes. BJM has said so on many occasions. I believe Art Davie verified as well. If memory serves correct it was Art’s idea. It was a different era. Can’t judge it by today’s standards. That would be like getting upset by Royce hair pulling or Tank fish hooking or whoever it was that threw those groin strikes at Joe San. Different world back then.
Too little, too late on the ball destruction though. Wasn't Joe Son already a viciously violent rapist at that point?"OMG he's not gonna be able to have kids"
If he was its news to me. Damn thats wildToo little, too late on the ball destruction though. Wasn't Joe Son already a viciously violent rapist at that point?
A little light hearted reading for your Friday:If he was its news to me. Damn thats wild
Holy shitA little light hearted reading for your Friday:
Joe Son - Wikipedia
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-strange-saga-of-joe-son-bond-villain-parody-gang-rapist-and-possible-murderer
http://www.bakersfield.com/news/austin-powers-actor-joseph-son-sentenced-to-years-for-killing/article_4e882c00-8d13-11e7-888e-bbe8961ffc4c.html