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Nov 21, 2015
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She explains what went down in person on Ariel's show


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq5cMVXAfQ4


Fighters need to support her and anyone complaining about how the UFC
treats fighters should support her or they are just part of the problem
they are bitching about

Put Up or Shut Up

EDIT: The part where she shows how the UFC doesn't pay Per Diem on the last
day of travel is particularly disturbing. I have a contracting business and I absolutely
pay my guys per diem on the last day of travel... Because its the fucking Law!

How these crooked WME fuckers get away without paying them is both
illegal and also no ones fault but the fighters who keep bending over and
accepting Eggs dick in the ass.
 
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FrankieNYC

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Whatever happens in her particular case , I hope it gets the ball rolling faster.
Will be interesting to see if this helps or hurts.
I did not know about the Jon Fitch stuff with her & union attempts before.
Both sides accused the other of inappropriate handling of info behind the scenes.

That might be a part of fighters reluctance to jump in with her?

also Dim @Dim made a point on SD that is very valid

Most fighters contracted by UFC are not US based fighters & are not as familiar with unions.
They need to be convinced it might be for their benefit.
Culturally they are not used to that (it seems)

Either way ...
Have a good one guys & I'll check in sometime soon (heading back in on Wed)

:cheers:
 

Severianb

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Aug 5, 2015
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I stand with her. I don't think she has a great chance of winning this lawsuit, but in the bigger picture of her fighting for her and all fighter's rights, I hope that comes to fruition, it is overdue. The best athletes will never even think of getting in this sport until that happens.
Yep. From a purely selfish fan point of view I want to see fighters at thier best because they have the money to train full time.

Pathetic what some of these fighters have to do on the side to make ends meet.
 

Severianb

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Fighters need to make weight, but fighters also need to fight.

It's not like no other fighters have fought a fighter who were over weight.
90% of fighters who miss weight win the fight.

Leslie's choices:

1. Fight, most likely lose and get show money + 20% ($3000?)
2. Get both show and win money.

In both cases, the UFC doesn't renew her contract.
 

Dirty Harry Potter

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Yep. From a purely selfish fan point of view I want to see fighters at thier best because they have the money to train full time.

Pathetic what some of these fighters have to do on the side to make ends meet.
Morally, philosophically, and LOGICALLY

I think it's not fair for professional athletes in a "big organization" (UFC as the biggest one, and the one in question here)
not to be paid enough to support themselves . Too much imbalance -like McGoober getting however much he does, and the bottom-rung people getting what they do- and not enough tangible "respect" given the employees by the suits. All sports treat athletes like a commodity , but it seems like the UFC takes extra advantage of their obsession to fight, and willingness to sacrifice to get that contract. In a perfect world....
 

Gay For Longo

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That's not remotely the same as termination. Her contract concluded and their business was done together.
I agree, but what would it be then
Just discrimination?

Wrongful termination I guess doesnt really work but it's the closest I can think of for this situation
 

Wild

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I’ll donate a few bucks. Hard to preach about this should be done, that should be done, these fighters need to stand up to the UFC, etc & then not do something to help support the effort. It may go nowhere, but at least she’s trying and that’s more than most can say.
 

yuushi

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90% of fighters who miss weight win the fight.

Leslie's choices:

1. Fight, most likely lose and get show money + 20% ($3000?)
2. Get both show and win money.

In both cases, the UFC doesn't renew her contract.
I wouldn't say that. UFC usually rewards fighters who take fights like that. If she fought and put up a good show even in losing and fights her next fight (she had one more on her contract after this one) good chance she could have been re-signed.

She pissed that all away by turning the fight down.
 

yuushi

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Unacceptable to miss weight
No excuse at all for doing that
And you don’t get to fight if you lazily miss weight because that’s what you are, lazy
So all those fighters who still fought when they were overweight shouldn't have?

So the UFC should just scrap ALL fights when a fighter is overweight?
 

La Paix

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90% of fighters who miss weight win the fight.


Since the UFC introduced its early weigh-in procedures in June 2016, the promotion has held 72 events. During that time, they have held 42 matches in which one fighter missed weight, with the bout only going forward after the opponent agreed to participate in a catchweight encounter. (Nine additional matches were canceled completely due to weight-cutting issues.)

The results are interesting.

In those 42 bouts, the fighter who missed weight emerged victorious the majority of the time, with a record of 23 wins and 19 losses (54.8% win percentage).

Fighters who missed weight but were already favored to win by oddsmakers were much more likely to emerge victorious than those who missed weight but were underdogs.

In fact, Romero was one of only a handful of underdogs who missed weight to leave with a win. Underdogs missing weight went just 7-14 (33.3%) in their 21 tries. By contrast, betting favorites who missed weight went 16-5 (76.2%) during that time.

First off, all things considered, an extra pound or two doesn’t seem to make much difference in winning or losing. If your opponent misses weight, there is almost no statistical advantage, as in 63 fights with competitors that missed weight, the offending party went just 31-32.

Second, underdogs are slightly more likely to miss weight. Thirty-five out of 63 fighters to miss weight were underdogs (55.6 percent).

And finally, if you are an underdog who misses weight, it might be worth considering skipping the fight altogether, because your chances of victory are not strong. Underdogs who failed to hit their number went 12-23 over those 144 events (a poor 34.3 winning percentage).

Is missing weight an advantage or a detriment on fight night?
 

Kingtony87

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I agree, but what would it be then
Just discrimination?

Wrongful termination I guess doesnt really work but it's the closest I can think of for this situation
There's no discrimination. Their contract had ended and their business was completed you can't force somebody to rehire another person
 

Kingtony87

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I’ll donate a few bucks. Hard to preach about this should be done, that should be done, these fighters need to stand up to the UFC, etc & then not do something to help support the effort. It may go nowhere, but at least she’s trying and that’s more than most can say.
Take a stand against something with some actual substance to it instead of a frivolous lawsuit. This specific instance seems as meaningless as the pussy Hat Ladies March
 

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She explains what went down in person on Ariel's show


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq5cMVXAfQ4


Fighters need to support her and anyone complaining about how the UFC
treats fighters should support her or they are just part of the problem
they are bitching about

Put Up or Shut Up

EDIT: The part where she shows how the UFC doesn't pay Per Diem on the last
day of travel is particularly disturbing. I have a contracting business and I absolutely
pay my guys per diem on the last day of travel... Because its the fucking Law!

How these crooked WME fuckers get away without paying them is both
illegal and also no ones fault but the fighters who keep bending over and
accepting Eggs dick in the ass.
No it isn't. First and last day of travel is at a lower per diem rate. Last 3 companies I worked for were the same
 

SongExotic2

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Take a stand against something with some actual substance to it instead of a frivolous lawsuit. This specific instance seems as meaningless as the pussy Hat Ladies March
Yeah. UFC isn't obligated to provide her a living, unfortunately. They chose to end thier employment with her which is thier right as per the contract she signed. It pisses me off that fighters can't do the same but hopefully that changes in the future.

She caused trouble for her employer and they said okay, here's your ball, thanks for coming.
 
Nov 21, 2015
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No it isn't. First and last day of travel is at a lower per diem rate. Last 3 companies I worked for were the same
Not in California as far as I'm aware of. Also lower rate?

We are talking about the UFC not paying at all. You are talking
about a different situation all together. Did you listen to what she said?

She didn't say the UFC pays a lower rate

She says they don't pay fighters at all
 
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MyrddinWild

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Makes sense
Thanks


I still can't figure out exactly what she is suing for anyway.

Unless it is my legal ignorance, I don't think it is clear from the GFM page.
It's very much larger than what she is suing for. I don't think she is really concerned with whether she fights for the UFC or not. Her main concerns are winning this argument. She's possibly made a life's mission out of it which is way more important than her standing in the UFC.

Woman scorned sh*t maybe.. but whatever the reason... it really feels to me like the legal fight is the motivation way beyond he desire to fight in the UFC.
 

ender852

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So all those fighters who still fought when they were overweight shouldn't have?

So the UFC should just scrap ALL fights when a fighter is overweight?
Yes. There needs to be real concrete consequences. Every single person who misses weight should lose their fight and get no money