Nick Diaz: McGregor doesn’t have ‘formula’ to beat Khabib

JJ's pile of blow · May 8, 2018

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sparkuri said:
If Khabib got that close, Conor's butt is on the ground and this fight is ova

If Khabib doesnt improve his head movement and his ability to close distance properly then McGregor is gonna make short work of him. If Al was able to even hit him once then imagine what Conner will do to him coming in. Now im not delusional, i know if Khabib is able to improve his deficiencies then Conner will be in for a very long night but i havent seen much improvement in the Russian's game to warrant a thought of a clear cut victory.

sparkuri · May 8, 2018

JJ's pile of blow said:
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If Khabib doesnt improve his head movement and his ability to close distance properly then McGregor is gonna make short work of him. If Al was able to even hit him once then imagine what Conner will do to him coming in. Now im not delusional, i know if Khabib is able to improve his deficiencies then Conner will be in for a very long night but i havent seen much improvement in the Russian's game to warrant a thought of a clear cut victory.

Keep in mind Khabib wasn't even preparing for Iaquinta, probably didn't even know who he was.
Everyone knows who Khabib is & what he brings.
In that way only are Khabib & Conor similar.

JJ's pile of blow · May 8, 2018

sparkuri said:
Keep in mind Khabib wasn't even preparing for Iaquinta, probably didn't even know who he was.
Everyone knows who Khabib is & what he brings.
In that way only are Khabib & Conor similar.

I see what you mean. Fair point but conner is pin point deadly with either hand. Al has power but nothing in comparison to McGregor ability to end a fight. Khabib is a great talent but his belt doesnt mean a whole lot when all he had to do was beat a very inactive fighter Not even ranked in the top ten. I know that was outta his control but Al is not a world beater. If Ferguson hadnt blown out his knee then we would be discussing a fight between Tony and Conner.

sparkuri · May 8, 2018

JJ's pile of blow said:
I see what you mean. Fair point but conner is pin point deadly with either hand. Al has power but nothing in comparison to McGregor ability to end a fight. Khabib is a great talent but his belt doesnt mean a whole lot when all he had to do was beat a very inactive fighter Not even ranked in the top ten. I know that was outta his control but Al is not a world beater. If Ferguson hadnt blown out his knee then we would be discussing a fight between Tony and Conner.

I wouldn't be discussing anything Conor, he has court then the UFC to deal with.
Mcgregor has fantastic timing in his striking. It's certainly possible that he's been shying away from a fight with Khabib to work on td defense, wrestling and bjj, and from Tony because he's the complete package. Much like Cain and GSP took time away to cycle off USADA -sensitive ped's.
Today as it stands, there's just a high probability Khabib gets Conor down and demolishes him.
Picture what Chad Mendes did to Conor on 2 weeks notice, only size and skill are doubled, and there's preparation.
Conor won that because Chad was gassed, and look how exhausted Conor was.
And. Conor took a fight against "a guy with attributes" on short notice, and got finished.
Then spent $300,000.00 on a camp to learn how to beat him in a rematch by majority decision.

JJ's pile of blow · May 8, 2018

sparkuri said:
I wouldn't be discussing anything Conor, he has court then the UFC to deal with.
Mcgregor has fantastic timing in his striking. It's certainly possible that he's been shying away from a fight with Khabib to work on td defense, wrestling and bjj, and from Tony because he's the complete package. Much like Cain and GSP took time away to cycle off USADA -sensitive ped's.
Today as it stands, there's just a high probability Khabib gets Conor down and demolishes him.
Picture what Chad Mendes did to Conor on 2 weeks notice, only size and skill are doubled, and there's preparation.
Conor won that because Chad was gassed, and look how exhausted Conor was.
And. Conor took a fight against "a guy with attributes" on short notice, and got finished.
Then spent $300,000.00 on a camp to learn how to beat him in a rematch by majority decision.

Oh i know, McGregor was an idiot for doing what he did. Im a huge Conner fan but he made a ass of himself. Theres no getting around that. But im not so sure you can use the mendes fight as a measuring stick. He blew out his knee during his training camp for the aldo fight and wasnt training for a wrestler. The aldo fight was going to be contested on the feet. So using your logic McGregor was preparing for wrestler with a heavy GNP style and still managed to survive thr onslaught and come away with the victory. Now i know mendes and Khabib are not the same in terms of pressure and chain wrestling but i think we can agree that mendes has a more complete game. Thats if you are a fan of MMA math..........

JJ's pile of blow · May 8, 2018

JJ's pile of blow said:
Oh i know, McGregor was an idiot for doing what he did. Im a huge Conner fan but he made a ass of himself. Theres no getting around that. But im not so sure you can use the mendes fight as a measuring stick. He blew out his knee during his training camp for the aldo fight and wasnt training for a wrestler. The aldo fight was going to be contested on the feet. So using your logic McGregor was preparing for wrestler with a heavy GNP style and still managed to survive thr onslaught and come away with the victory. Now i know mendes and Khabib are not the same in terms of pressure and chain wrestling but i think we can agree that mendes has a more complete game. Thats if you are a fan of MMA math..........

bit of a rant there i know. Went off on a tangent

lueVelvet · May 8, 2018

JJ's pile of blow said:
Oh i know, McGregor was an idiot for doing what he did. Im a huge Conner fan but he made a ass of himself. Theres no getting around that. But im not so sure you can use the mendes fight as a measuring stick. He blew out his knee during his training camp for the aldo fight and wasnt training for a wrestler. The aldo fight was going to be contested on the feet. So using your logic McGregor was preparing for wrestler with a heavy GNP style and still managed to survive thr onslaught and come away with the victory. Now i know mendes and Khabib are not the same in terms of pressure and chain wrestling but i think we can agree that mendes has a more complete game. Thats if you are a fan of MMA math..........

One can argue that had Chad been through a full camp that fight could have ended differently. Body shots took it out of him early on and Conor knew it. Maybe Conor would have prepared for it but Chad was winning that fight until the end.

JJ's pile of blow · May 8, 2018

lueVelvet said:
One can argue that had Chad been through a full camp that fight could have ended differently. Body shots took it out of him early on and Conor knew it. Maybe Conor would have prepared for it but Chad was winning that fight until the end.

He absolutely was winning that fight. But my point was that Mendes didnt have a full camp or at least wasnt training to fight McGregor and Conner was rehabing his knee for almost the full duration of his camp while preparing for an entirely different fighter. Both were handicapped during 189 and the better fighter came out on top.

Filthy · May 9, 2018

JJ's pile of blow said:
He absolutely was winning that fight. But my point was that Mendes didnt have a full camp or at least wasnt training to fight McGregor and Conner was rehabing his knee for almost the full duration of his camp while preparing for an entirely different fighter. Both were handicapped during 189 and the better fighter came out on top.

Total agreement that they were both handicapped going in to that fight, but while Conor's handicap (TD defense)made him more one-faceted than he would normally be, Chad's handicap (exhaustion) diminished his capabilities in all aspects of the fight.

If they were both healthy and had a full camp, I think Chad wins 8/10. If Chad makes it 2.5 rounds doing what he did in the first fight, then Conor gets more tired and loses the luxury of counter-punching as the fight progresses.

JJ's pile of blow · May 9, 2018

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Total agreement that they were both handicapped going in to that fight, but while Conor's handicap (TD defense)made him more one-faceted than he would normally be, Chad's handicap (exhaustion) diminished his capabilities in all aspects of the fight.

If they were both healthy and had a full camp, I think Chad wins 8/10. If Chad makes it 2.5 rounds doing what he did in the first fight, then Conor gets more tired and loses the luxury of counter-punching as the fight progresses.

Im not saying McGregor is on par with Jose aldo with his TD defense. His handicap was that fact that he blew his knee out during the fight camp. Its well documented. He wasnt able to train any wrestling during that time. Regardless of handicap the better fighter won. Period.

Ted Williams' head · May 9, 2018

Conor may wait until the second round to knock him out

tang · May 10, 2018

blank said:
I actually like Conor's chances of clipping Khabib early. It's nuts how high he keeps his chin and how little angle he uses on his entries.

yup, beccause of that I think Conor has the highest chance of beating Khabib but if he doesn't capitalize,

oh boy~ it'll be like shooting a bear with 9mm while it keeps closing in

benjo0101 · May 10, 2018

Yay. Another thread that has descended into conor nut huggers vs normal people.

Would read again.

ECC170 · May 10, 2018

JJ's pile of blow said:
Al is not a world beater

beat Kevin Lee.

Wild · May 10, 2018

ECC170 said:
beat Kevin Lee.

You gotta admit though Johnny, Kevin has evolved a lot since that fight. Dude is a problem now.

JJ's pile of blow · May 10, 2018

ECC170 said:
beat Kevin Lee.

Yes he did. But he has been barely fighting and selling houses while Lee has been getting better.

La Paix · May 10, 2018

Wild said:
You gotta admit though Johnny, Kevin has evolved a lot since that fight. Dude is a problem now.

That was Lee's UFC debut form 2014, he's gone 9-2 since then and has improved a whole lot.

ECC170 · May 10, 2018

Wild said:
You gotta admit though Johnny, Kevin has evolved a lot since that fight. Dude is a problem now.

He is better.. so is raging al..I was just pointing out that him being called a non world beater isn't true...ppl put too much stock in rankings and we all know raging al is a savage..ppl also think that al stopping take downs vs khabib is the end all be all..al displayed his take down d and ability to get up vs Lee already..

Wild · May 10, 2018

ECC170 said:
He is better.. so is raging al..I was just pointing out that him being called a non world beater isn't true...ppl put too much stock in rankings and we all know raging al is a savage..ppl also think that al stopping take downs vs khabib is the end all be all..al displayed his take down d and ability to get up vs Lee already..

Oh no denying Al’s a legit Top 7-8 guy in the division, and a stud. I wasn’t trying to take anything away from Al.

member 3289 · May 10, 2018

lueVelvet said:
One can argue that had Chad been through a full camp that fight could have ended differently. Body shots took it out of him early on and Conor knew it. Maybe Conor would have prepared for it but Chad was winning that fight until the end.

A round and a half. That's not a very long end.

lueVelvet · May 10, 2018

conor mcgregor nut hugger said:
A round and a half. That's not a very long end.

I can't argue that. But I do think outside of the Nate fights Chad pushed Conor more than almost any other fighter. But it's all moot since Conor won definitively and performed how he did under the circumstances. It was just interesting to see him not have much for Chad's wrasslin' until Chad really gassed (again, smart of Conor to get those body shots in early!)

ECC170 · May 10, 2018

Wild said:
Oh no denying Al’s a legit Top 7-8 guy in the division, and a stud. I wasn’t trying to take anything away from Al.

I was saying the other guy said al wasn't a world beater.. and used Kevin Lee as A example of world class guy he's beat.

Haulport · May 10, 2018

conor mcgregor nut hugger said:
That's if Khabib can even close the distance.

As much as I'd love to see Conor "valhalla" Khabib into unconsciousness, I think Khabib is more likely to get caught coming in.

Mendes took Conor down a couple of times. Khabib will rag doll him... Thus using the fence for extra support.

member 3289 · May 10, 2018

Haulport said:
Mendes took Conor down a couple of times. Khabib will rag doll him... Thus using the fence for extra support.

Lol the classic faulty Mendes logic.

Conor let Chad take him down bc he knew Chad's gas tank was shit.

Conor keeps distance too well and Khabib doesn't have wrestling-style takedowns.

He will never get Conor down even once.

Rambo John J · May 10, 2018

Haulport said:
The smart move for Conor against Khabib is actually allowing him to push him up against the fence and work for a takedown and then elbow him for the tko:

good finishing technique

but isn't that 12 to 6 and back of the head all in one?

not that I agree with those rules

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