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Freeloading Rusty

Freeloading Rusty

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ConorMcGregorsBeard said:
p.s. please stop equating violence with "gun violence" it's extremely disingenuous to pretend that murder when not committed with a gun is somehow more acceptable.
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Considering one of the graphs you posted is comparing homicide rates to gun laws, I would ask the same of you.

And I am not sure you grasped by point... When crime rates fall, most often, violence crime rates also fall. When violence crime rates fall, you can be almost certain, rates of gun violence have also dropped.
 
BeardOfKnowledge

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MC Gusto said:
Considering one of the graphs you posted is comparing homicide rates to gun laws, I would ask the same of you.
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The graphs showed the pattern of murder rate. Given that the discussion of gun law efficacy is the center of the conversation I figured knowing when legislation was implemented and how it did or didn't impact murder rates was relevant.

Your second point about murder rate dropping in correlation with gun murder rate is false as demonstrated by the murder rates of various countries. Ie, in Canada and Australia firearms by homicide dropped sharply but the overall murder rate did not. There's nothing to support the notion that firearm accessibility has any bearing on violent crime rates.
 
Freeloading Rusty

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ConorMcGregorsBeard said:
Your second point about murder rate dropping in correlation with gun murder rate is false as demonstrated by the murder rates of various countries. Ie, in Canada and Australia firearms by homicide dropped sharply but the overall murder rate did not.
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Canada and Australia's murder rates are on an increase?
 
BeardOfKnowledge

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MC Gusto said:
Canada and Australia's murder rates are on an increase?
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No, but the decrease in gun murders is substantially higher than the overall murder decrease. That strongly indicates that the gun laws have nothing to do with the murder decrease and that when people want to kill one another the available weapons doesn't have a strong bearing on whether or not a murder will take place.
 
RaginCajun

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Science Teacher Tackled Gunman Who Wounded 2 at Indiana Middle School, Student Says
A student at an Indiana middle school says he saw his science teacher tackle a fellow student who fired shots inside the classroom.

Seventh-grader Ethan Stonebraker says the class was taking a test at Noblesville West Middle School when the student walked in late, pulled out a gun and started firing.

He says the teacher “immediately ran at him, swatted a gun out of his hand and tackled him to the ground.” Stonebraker adds, “if it weren’t for him, more of us would have been injured for sure.”

The teacher and a student were injured in the shooting. Authorities didn’t have any information about their conditions.
 
ConorMcGregor NutHugger

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RaginCajun said:
Science Teacher Tackled Gunman Who Wounded 2 at Indiana Middle School, Student Says
A student at an Indiana middle school says he saw his science teacher tackle a fellow student who fired shots inside the classroom.

Seventh-grader Ethan Stonebraker says the class was taking a test at Noblesville West Middle School when the student walked in late, pulled out a gun and started firing.

He says the teacher “immediately ran at him, swatted a gun out of his hand and tackled him to the ground.” Stonebraker adds, “if it weren’t for him, more of us would have been injured for sure.”

The teacher and a student were injured in the shooting. Authorities didn’t have any information about their conditions.
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That teacher needs a raise ASAP.
 
Freeloading Rusty

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ConorMcGregorsBeard said:
Your second point about murder rate dropping in correlation with gun murder rate is false as demonstrated by the murder rates of various countries. Ie, in Canada and Australia firearms by homicide dropped sharply but the overall murder rate did not. There's nothing to support the notion that firearm accessibility has any bearing on violent crime rates.
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As I said, both fell at the same time.

mysticmac said:
Is that what he said?
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Crime rates dropped, murder rates dropped, and gun violence rates dropped.

ConorMcGregorsBeard said:
No, but the decrease in gun murders is substantially higher than the overall murder decrease. That strongly indicates that the gun laws have nothing to do with the murder decrease and that when people want to kill one another the available weapons doesn't have a strong bearing on whether or not a murder will take place.
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If I squint really hard and tilt my head to the left a tiny bit, I can see it.

Wait, no I cant.

Correlation does not imply causation.
 
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