The Dust Has Settled- It’s Time to be Honest About the Wonderboy/Till Fight

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Very close fight

The real winner is obviously me.

While sex chicken took a devastating defeat
 

Mishima Zaibatsu

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“Big Jon” needs to get his fucking stories straight.
I think he said that aggression comes into account before octagon control, that's why they always say "aggression and octagon control".

They say it last because it's always the last thing taken into account when deciding who won.

In this case he's not contradicting himself. He's spot on.
 

Rambo John J

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Big john is cool

but he has shown to be biased in his own way

If WB was a better man that fight, then he would have done damage to Till.

Till did a lot of leg damage IMO and also dropped WB clean

If that doesn't get you a W in a point based fight then I don't wanna watch.

BJM is not the end all be all of judging a fight...he has good insight but he is just another monday morning QB on twitter
 

Rambo John J

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I think he said that aggression comes into account before octagon control, that's why they always say "aggression and octagon control".

They say it last because it's always the last thing taken into account when deciding who won.

In this case he's not contradicting himself. He's spot on.
agression as he backed up?

I did not see much aggression at all from WB....some clean counters, but he played the game and was beaten at his own game IMO


I like WB but that was a fair decision IMO
 

Mishima Zaibatsu

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agression as he backed up?

I did not see much aggression at all from WB....some clean counters, but he played the game and was beaten at his own game IMO


I like WB but that was a fair decision IMO
Noooo, no, no.

BJM said he think WB won, but personally, his statements are only backing up Till winning.

Till was aggressive the whole fight, therefore any swing rounds, like the 4th, should be awarded to him.

He also says, not all strikes are created equal, which, when rewatching the fight and really giving a good look at the punches and kicks Wonderboy landed, few of them had anything on them.

 

Sex Chicken

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Noooo, no, no.

BJM said he think WB won, but personally, his statements are only backing up Till winning.

Till was aggressive the whole fight, therefore any swing rounds, like the 4th, should be awarded to him.

He also says, not all strikes are created equal, which, when rewatching the fight and really giving a good look at the punches and kicks Wonderboy landed, few of them had anything on them.

What was your old screen name?
 

Rambo John J

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Noooo, no, no.

BJM said he think WB won, but personally, his statements are only backing up Till winning.

Till was aggressive the whole fight, therefore any swing rounds, like the 4th, should be awarded to him.

He also says, not all strikes are created equal, which, when rewatching the fight and really giving a good look at the punches and kicks Wonderboy landed, few of them had anything on them.

oh I fully agree with this
 

The Sound of Violence

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Noooo, no, no.

BJM said he think WB won, but personally, his statements are only backing up Till winning.

Till was aggressive the whole fight, therefore any swing rounds, like the 4th, should be awarded to him.

He also says, not all strikes are created equal, which, when rewatching the fight and really giving a good look at the punches and kicks Wonderboy landed, few of them had anything on them.

I think you're missing the phrase "exactly equal". The striking wasn't exactly equal so aggression & octagon control shouldn't factor in according to the new judging criteria.
 

Rambo John J

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damage wins fights IMO

how can you win a fight without damaging your opponent?

the 10-9 Scoring system is bullshit, unless you score 10-10 rounds on close rounds

why is 10 the top score when the largest spread we ever see is a 10-7

3point must system would be just as effective and logical


MMA judging sucks cause it is not original and was a rip off....and corrupt and incompetent judges are abound and put in place for certain matches/fighters
 

The Sound of Violence

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"new judging criteria"? What have I missed?
They were updated in 2017 to focus on impact(damage), dominance and duration when it comes to striking as well as emphasizing striking and grappling above aggression and then octagon control

"Effective Striking/Grappling shall be considered the first priority of round assessments. Effective Aggressiveness is a ‘Plan B’ and should not be considered unless the judge does not see ANY advantage in the Effective Striking/Grappling realm. Cage/Ring Control (‘Plan C’) should only be needed when ALL other criteria are 100% even for both competitors. This will be an extremely rare occurrence"

http://www.abcboxing.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/2017-Official-MMA-Judging-Criteria.pdf
 

The Sound of Violence

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damage wins fights IMO

how can you win a fight without damaging your opponent?

the 10-9 Scoring system is bullshit, unless you score 10-10 rounds on close rounds

why is 10 the top score when the largest spread we ever see is a 10-7

3point must system would be just as effective and logical


MMA judging sucks cause it is not original and was a rip off....and corrupt and incompetent judges are abound and put in place for certain matches/fighters
Agreed the 10 point must system just doesn't work and a vast majority of the judges in mma have zero fucking idea what they're looking at