Carla Esparza starts campaign calling for #ufcatomweight

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Nov 21, 2015
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Wmma is thin enough as it is. Adding more divisions will only make it worse.

Carla went 10-2 winning Invitca and UFC titles. Since losing it to JJ she's gone 3-4 and now she's calling for a smaller division. She'd be better off improving her striking game then hoping for a size advantage.

On the other hand of that Suarez girl is gonna set the bar for straw weight sizing they're all fucked.
These chicks do not wanna even see TT.

Looking across the cage and seeing Tatiana has to be a
traumatic experience all by its self for these girls now
 
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Agreed, getting them all under one roof would show the depth.

Also agreed on the AV.

BTW, what's going on with your podcast? On a break?
THIS!

I actually have a roof right here in my bedroom they can all get under.

I'm willing to do my part to get them all under one roof
 
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Leto1776

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Ive already done this topic to death, but in short, Carla is better off getting her UFC release (or just lose another fight and get cut), shes nowhere near a title shot and they clearly want her to lose hence why they keep feeding her to their golden girls (moroz, calvillo, saurez).. anyway, get her release and go out to Asia.

Get herself some fights against Ham, Assakura, hell even up and comers like Kubota, in areas where they have a good following, and in organisations that wont fuck up the division like the UFC would. she could make herself some decent money in Asia and win a belt or two.

UFC's last two womens divisions to open, one doesnt have a champion after nearly a year, and the other has a champion but no contenders. Why would all the top asian fighters (who are responsible for the bulk of the 105 ranked fighters) want to come to the UFC, have Sean Shelby fuck up their matchups, and only fight once a year? And why any fan of the womens sport wants to give the UFC the opportunity to screw up yet another division I dont know..

Im kinda over Carla to be honest, first all the other girls are doping, now they are all just bigger than her.
Such a fallacy. Only three women in the Rizin GP were from Asia. Meanwhile, Invicta and KOTC both have divisions with no crrent roster members hailing from Asia.

I love the womens side of the sport, but I would rather watch ONE on Fite than watch Invicta at the moment.

Favourable matchups for their favourites, absymal refereeing standards that are screwing fighters, and even worse judging.

If its not favourable matchmaking, its referees not stopping fights when a fighter is unconscious and dont even get me started on the judging decision that saw Jin Yu crowned champion. That was bordering on obvious corruption. Theres no way on gods earth that Grusander didnt win that fight.

Im still not sure how she had world t-champion tshirts made and was able to keep a straight face while wearing one :D
Fighter wins using nothing but wall and stall: "AAARgh, damn wall and stall. Judges judge it too highly."
Fighter does nothing but wall and stall and loses: "AAARGH! Robbery!"

Pretty much every forum user. So, what's your view on the Alvarez v Pettis fight, out of curiosity?
 

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I preferred lighter guys and gals in a different Org
I liked 155 and up as UFC
 

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Such a fallacy. Only three women in the Rizin GP were from Asia. Meanwhile, Invicta and KOTC both have divisions with no crrent roster members hailing from Asia.
Im not quite sure what your argument was there.

I said (the part you highlighter) "Why would all the top asian fighters (who are responsible for the bulk of the 105 ranked fighters) want to fight in the UFC"

and you replied "Such a fallacy. , Invicta and KOTC both have divisions with no crrent roster members hailing from Asia"


Im not sure what your argument is, you seem to be agreeing with me that not many of the top asian talent at 105 has any interest in coming to fight for a US promotion such as the UFC but you helpfully add Invicta and KOTC to it for me :D

And the bulk of the top ranked fighters at 105 ARE asian..

Who is the top ten in the world?

Asian
Seo Hee Ham (Road)
Aya Hamasaki (Rizin)
Mina Kurobe (Rizin)
Tomo Maesawa (Deep Jewels)
Aono Hikaru (Deep Jewels)
Kana Asakura (Rizin)
Rena Kubota (Rizin)

Non-Asian
Minna Grusander (Invicta)
Jinh Yu Frey (Invicta)
Amber Brown (Invicta)

Sure, you might disagree slightly, im probably being generous to Rena, but on teh whole, the bulk of the top fighters at 105 are Asian and are fighting for Asian promotions.

hell, the best American based fighting in Jinh Yu ended up going to Asia to fight for the belt (before being gifted one in the US)


Fighter wins using nothing but wall and stall: "AAARgh, damn wall and stall. Judges judge it too highly."
Fighter does nothing but wall and stall and loses: "AAARGH! Robbery!"

Pretty much every forum user. So, what's your view on the Alvarez v Pettis fight, out of curiosity?
Where the hell did I say anything about wall and stall?

I raised three points:

1. Favourable matchmaking - nobody can deny this, but its not just limited to Invicta, all the other feeder promotions do it, Legacy are probably even worse at handing out favourable matchups. dont get me started on Legacy giving KGB title shots against girls on losing streaks

2. Shocking refereeing - So you dont remember a fighter being completely unconscious and going on to win the fight? What about making a fighter change position so that she then gets subbed and loses a world title? You dont remember the countless other refereeing fiascos that have come out of Missouri with Mike England leading the charge?

3. Calamitous judging - Are you seriously claiming that Jinh Yu Frey beat Minna? Are you really going to try and argue that? You disagree with every single media member who watched that fight and 95% of people on MMADecisions?

Look, I get it, you are trying to get into the media side of things and I fully support you, I really hope you do great and it works out for you, and so I understand why you dont want to agree with the three points I raised, you arent going to openly come out and say Invicta is a shit show, I get that :D.

But don't completely ignore them and try and dismiss them as something about "wall n stall" (I got to be honest, i don't even know what you are on about there, Ive no idea what Alvarez v Pettis has to do with any of this).

I love the womens sport, with a passion, but Im finding less and less time to watch Invicta because of the three reasons above (and because there are better matches out there to watch)







fwiw, I didnt watch Alvarez v Pettis. Being in the UK, 5-6am finishes are only for me if the main card is fighters I am interested in watching. This generally will mean the heavier mens divisions, featherweight, and yes, womens divisions. the combination of Dominick Cruz headlining (who i cannot stand), Travis Browne (who I cannot stand) meant that I stayed up to watch Ross Pearson (Who lives about 20 miles from me) and then went to bed.

So I couldnt give you an opinion on Alvarez Pettis Im afraid. :D



I also stand by my final point. The UFC have done a shocking job with the womens divisions. One division has no champion after a year, another division has a champion and no challengers. the other two divisions see the girls having to beg on twitter to even get fights and most are only fighting once a year, twice if they are very lucky. Even though Shelby was allegedly always in charge of the lighter (and womens) divisions, nobody will argue that the matchmaking across those divisions has gone to utter shite since Joe Silva left. Clearly Joe oversaw what Sean was doing.

Bellator are doing a reasonable job in building their 145 division, at least they have fighters. They are making inroads at 125 as well but obviously the UFC will always draw the name talent.

Why in gods name anyone who is a fan of womens MMA would want the UFC to start a 105 division, knowing in all likelehood they will utterly fuck it up as they have done the other womens divisions, I dont know.

If you love womens MMA support the smaller girls leaving the UFC and making money in Asia where the organisations will promote and support them, support Bellator building the 145lb division (and i really hope cyborrg is able to leave the UFC when her contract ends in the new year and head to Bellator).
 
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I love the womens side of the sport, but I would rather watch ONE on Fite than watch Invicta at the moment.

Favourable matchups for their favourites, absymal refereeing standards that are screwing fighters, and even worse judging.

If its not favourable matchmaking, its referees not stopping fights when a fighter is unconscious and dont even get me started on the judging decision that saw Jin Yu crowned champion. That was bordering on obvious corruption. Theres no way on gods earth that Grusander didnt win that fight.

Im still not sure how she had world t-champion tshirts made and was able to keep a straight face while wearing one :D
Grusander did jack shit that fight. Boring as hell fighter. You don't get points for having ZERO offensive output.

I hope Invicta blackballs her. Fighters that boring kill MMA.
 

Dim

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Grusander did jack shit that fight. Boring as hell fighter. You don't get points for having ZERO offensive output.

I hope Invicta blackballs her. Fighters that boring kill MMA.
but "entertainment" is not a judging criteria. Did she win the fight? Yes. Did Frey win the fight? Never in a month of sundays.

(And Frey was 1-2 in her last three, why she was getting a title shot god only knows... she had already lost two title fights in succession.. well we do know why, of course, because invicta - like many other promotions - play favourites. Had grusander got the belt im sure they would have kept rematching till Jinh won..)
 

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Shes american born, her dad was Korean, but even he died when she was young, so the asian influence in her life is fairly minimal by all accounts.
Ok, I thought you meant she wasn’t Asian and I couldn’t understand how you could think that.
 

Dim

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Ok, I thought you meant she wasn’t Asian and I couldn’t understand how you could think that.
well yeh, but the ones I listed as Asian are Asian born, Asian resident, fight on Asian promotions etc. If I had listed her as Asian I would have got brought to task over it :D
 

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but "entertainment" is not a judging criteria. Did she win the fight? Yes. Did Frey win the fight? Never in a month of sundays.

(And Frey was 1-2 in her last three, why she was getting a title shot god only knows... she had already lost two title fights in succession.. well we do know why, of course, because invicta - like many other promotions - play favourites. Had grusander got the belt im sure they would have kept rematching till Jinh won..)
She lost the fight dude. Frey has the strap.
The judges got it right this time. You don't get points for holding someone against the fence.
I'm really happy the judges are starting to pay less attention to top position and cage control.
Whatever. Get em all to 105 in the UFC so Waterson can curbstomp them all.