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Andrewsimar Palhardass

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USADA rep indicates that he thinks athletes who test positive for turinabol need to be tested more often after the initial positive. He says that Jones' case was pending, which he says adds context as to why there was a gap in testing. He indicates that USADA was in contact with Jon during the time, which the commissioner correctly clarifies does not replace testing. I hope that's not the last of the talk regarding the gap in testing.
 

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One commissioner asking why the NSAC was not notified until December regarding the adverse result, when the UFC and USADA knew in August at the latest. USADA rep explains that they were attempting to gather information about the metabolite during that time.
 

Rambo John J

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OH shit
Bennett dropping a bomb on the USADA bamboozling Foster
interesting
 

Andrewsimar Palhardass

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Weird one- Andy Foster apparently told Bob Bennett that he wouldn't have licensed Jones in October had he known that he was still testing positive, but the USADA rep counters with the fact that California licensed him in December with the same adverse findings.
 

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"I'm not buying this, I think it is weak and soft."

get him some dick pills
 

Andrewsimar Palhardass

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USADA rep sounds terrified.

They are really getting an earful about how they handled this. The commissions felt blindsided and they feel like they should have had the information available to them earlier.
 

Andrewsimar Palhardass

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If you are listening, the USADA rep just explained why Frank Mir got suspended for m3. He hadn't yet tested positive for it, so it isn't double jeopardy to punish him for it. He didn't mention Mir directly, but his situation applies.
 

Shorinji

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LOL @ worrying about testing frequency/consistency when a positive test doesn't even matter.

Just gonna pretend they've never heard of Cheque Drops or anything similar. Such incredibly blatant incompetence/corruption. Literally anyone with access to Google can figure out what he's doing.
 

Andrewsimar Palhardass

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I’m starting to believe that nuance means nothing to the mma fanbase.

(Just kidding. It’s never meant anything to the mma fanbase.)
 

Splinty

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This will end up being more a hearing on USADA's failings than Jon Jones'.

Thanks for the live briefs.
As I've pointed out before, the only reason this is such a screw up is that USADA failed to test a guilty athlete for a year. Then followed that lack of testing with anything except a rigorous and consistent testing schedule to show data for a "pulsing" theory.

There's also the consideration that the suspension being lowered put us here with no consideration that shortening the suspension puts a positive blood test back in the testing pool before the testing science has a clear answer.

Jones doped. Then USADA looked away for a year. Then USADA gave random tests without any scientific rigor.
USADA owes us and the other fighters, but ALSO Jones, a rigorous and consistent testing schedule that allows for scientific validation of their hypothesis.

If Jones doped in June 2018, his testing samples would look just like they do right now.
If the pulsing effect is true, his samples would look just like they do right now.

It's USADA's fault for creating that ambiguity and then trying to sell the second theory only during licensing request. There is only a "lack of evidence" of re-adminstration due to USADA creating a bad dataset. USADA and UFC's complicit nature on this is clear when you look at the timeline for which data was made publicly available to commissions and backdoor deals for fight moves were made before data was brought forward.

NSAC apparently agrees with all of this because they have a good solution that should have been implemented in July 2018 or even 2017...

LAS VEGAS – The Nevada State Athletic Commission today voted unanimously to grant Jon Jones a one-fight conditional license to compete at UFC 235, clearing the way for the light heavyweight champ’s fight against Anthony Smith.

As a condition of his licensure, Jones must submit to and pay for additional drug testing by the NSAC over the next 40 days, or until the March 2 pay-per-view event. The commission will then meet in February to determine more drug testing to be carried out by a mix of three agencies: UFC anti-doping partner U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA), Voluntary Anti-Doping Agency (VADA) and the NSAC.

NSAC Chairman Anthony Marnell said the testing will continue for all of 2019 and warned Jones, “you’re probably not going to get another license here” if the UFC champ stopped early.
Jones will now be tested in regular intervals for the rest of the year, at minimum, developing the needed retrospective study to prove or disprove a "pulsing" hypothesis. This was the right answer last summer, but even more the right answer in 2017 after the original doping failing.
And even then, they failed to get nearly a year of sample data 2017-2018 to prove this not a re-ingestion. So the data will always be partly flawed, only allowing a July 2018 until December 2019 data set. If Jones stops testing positive this month, USADA will claim its evidence of an 18 month pulsing effect, when its also consistent with a 6 month positive from a 2018 drug taking as the current studies show.

Jones must "pulse" well into 2019 to support the pulsing hypothesis and then we have the beginning of support for the hypothesis.
Too bad USADA screwed it all up.
 

Andrewsimar Palhardass

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Thanks for the live briefs.
As I've pointed out before, the only reason this is such a screw up is that USADA failed to test a guilty athlete for a year. Then followed that lack of testing with anything except a rigorous and consistent testing schedule to show data for a "pulsing" theory.

There's also the consideration that the 2 year suspension being lowered put us here with no consideration that shortening the suspension puts a positive blood test back in the testing pool before the testing science has a clear answer.

Jones doped. Then USADA looked away for a year. Then USADA gave random tests without any scientific rigor.
USADA owes us and the other fighters, but ALSO Jones, a rigorous and consistent testing schedule that allows for scientific validation of their hypothesis.

If Jones doped in June 2018, his testing samples would look just like they do right now.
If the pulsing effect is true, his samples would look just like they do right now.

It's USADA's fault for creating that ambiguity and then trying to sell the second theory only during licensing request. There is only a "lack of evidence" of re-adminstration due to USADA creating a bad dataset. USADA and UFC's complicit nature on this is clear when you look at the timeline for which data was made publicly available to commissions and backdoor deals for fight moves were made before data was brought forward.

NSAC apparently agrees with all of this because they have a good solution that should have been implemented in July 2018 or even 2017...



Jones will now be tested in regular intervals for the rest of the year, at minimum, developing the needed retrospective study to prove or disprove a "pulsing" hypothesis. This was the right answer last summer, but even more the right answer in 2017 after the original doping failing.
And even then, they failed to get nearly a year of sample data 2017-2018 to prove this not a re-ingestion. So the data will always be partly flawed, only allowing a July 2018 until December 2019 data set. If Jones stops testing positive this month, USADA will claim its evidence of an 18 month pulsing effect, when its also consistent with a 6 month positive from a 2018 drug taking as the current studies show.

Jones must "pulse" well into 2019 to support the pulsing hypothesis and then we have the beginning of support for the hypothesis.
Too bad USADA screwed it all up.
I completely agree. All of this surrounding Jones is indeed a big story, but I think the real story here is USADA's handling of the situation, particularly that 10 month window without tests for a guy who was eligible in the testing pool but on suspension for a doping violation. Now, as you said, if they are planning on using Jones' tests for a study to finally understand turinabol and its long term effects more completely, they have compromised their ability to do so in any kind of definitive way because at this point there's no telling when the last ingestion was.