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Tiiimmmaaayyy

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I need to buy a new bus for work. The last bus was gas and was underpowered. I have found a new bus in my price range, but it's diesel. I've never owned a diesel and have some apprehensions. I've heard the motors last longer, but the price per gallon is higher and maintenance costs are substantially higher. Does anyone have strong feelings for one over the other. From what I have researched, it seems like most people say the 6.0 diesel is not as good as the 7.3, as of now I don't know which motor this one has. I won't be able to see it until Friday.
 

sparkuri

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My next anything that has a diesel option is gonna be diesel.
First off, I now put premium in my tank anyway after substantial gasoline research in my "line of work".
There's only one grandfathered station in my city that doesn't pump ethanol.

Imo, diesel benefits far outweigh the negatives.
And if SHTF and you can avoid emp issues, or even if you just want to, biodiesel is an option.

I'm sorry in advance for those that sit behind me at a stop light, but life is like a box of chocolates.
 

SC MMA MD

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I would vote for Diesel. Significantly more torque/power, longer lasting engines, typically more reliable, MUCH better mileage that will offset the more expensive fuel.
 

sparkuri

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I would vote for Diesel. Significantly more torque/power, longer lasting engines, typically more reliable, MUCH better mileage that will offset the more expensive fuel.
I dug your dually
 

Filthy

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My next anything that has a diesel option is gonna be diesel.
First off, I now put premium in my tank anyway after substantial gasoline research in my "line of work".
There's only one grandfathered station in my city that doesn't pump ethanol.

Imo, diesel benefits far outweigh the negatives.
And if SHTF and you can avoid emp issues, or even if you just want to, biodiesel is an option.
for EMP, even diesel is fucked if it was built after ~ 1984 and isn't a military vehicle.
 

Filthy

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care to expand on that point
anything with fuel injection is fucked in an EMP event, even some carbed vehicles with electronic ignition might be fucked. Surplus military vehicles are (theoretically) hardened. Before 1984, there wasn't much with standard fuel injection.
 

Rambo John J

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anything with fuel injection is fucked in an EMP event, even some carbed vehicles with electronic ignition might be fucked. Surplus military vehicles are (theoretically) hardened. Before 1984, there wasn't much with standard fuel injection.
thanks
 

sparkuri

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for EMP, even diesel is fucked if it was built after ~ 1984 and isn't a military vehicle.
Absolutely.
I meant if it was parked in a safe garage, aka faraday cage, at least one could manufacture biodiesel; no dice on a gas vehicle.
Anything early-mid-70's is fucked without protection.
 

Filthy

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Absolutely.
I meant if it was parked in a safe garage, aka faraday cage, at least one could manufacture biodiesel; no dice on a gas vehicle.
Anything early-mid-70's is fucked without protection.
not to be a dick, but there's no such thing as a Faraday cage...it's a pet peeve of mine. A Faraday cage is a concept, it's infinitely large sheets of a perfect conductor on all faces. As soon as you're constrained to geometry, waves can propagate through the 'cage'. Screen Room (mesh) or Shield Room (solid) are better descriptors.

And the smaller you make the box, the harder it is to effectively shield at higher frequencies. Of course, the bigger you make the box, the harder it is to make a door that seals. But if you want to buy a used screen room, I can put you in touch with a guy who can get you a 10' X 12' X 8' for < $15k. Best solution is:

1) Don't vote for war-mongering politicians who want to line their pockets in the name of policing the world
2) Put spare electronic parts for your water purifier, car, GPS, etc in a shielded blanket and put that in a small shield box.
3) And don't take anything out until well after the event, ion dispersion can also ruin electronics
 

b00ts

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There’s too many variables to determine if a vehicle would be mobile after an EMP attack. It’s not like an EMP would melt computers. Of the studies I’ve read, most of the vehicles tested were able to be restarted with some basic know-how in regards to vehicle electronics.
 

Filthy

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There’s too many variables to determine if a vehicle would be mobile after an EMP attack. It’s not like an EMP would melt computers. Of the studies I’ve read, most of the vehicles tested were able to be restarted with some basic know-how in regards to vehicle electronics.
I don't think the question was "will my vehicle work?" as much as "what vehicles will definitely work?"
 

Filthy

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sorry, isn't there a prepper thread where we can take this tangent?

Tiiimmmaaayyy @Tiiimmmaaayyy - you're buying used? If so, definitely take it to a reputable diesel mechanic and have them go through it. Diesel tends to be more reliable, but that also means it can get a lot worse before somebody notices a problem.
 

SuperPig

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1) Don't vote for war-mongering politicians who want to line their pockets in the name of policing the world
So don't vote. Because they pretty much all seem to turn out that way at some point.
 

SoupCan

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Can confirm bought a diesel a while ago it's made my penis bigger






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