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Toelocku

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They make these shitbags famous if the media would stop doing that this shit would stop quick
 

Splinty

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Hey let me guess...
White male either always "weird" or otherwise aggrieved outsider with a recent perception of worsening injustice against him by the school or humanity.


How could that be?!? Surely this isn't a cultural problem!


They make these shitbags famous if the media would stop doing that this shit would stop quick
It's a big part of it, but if you read On Killing he makes a case that the same conditioning that worked to make us kill the enemy is hard at play in our society making us more aggressive at a population level.

Dehumanize the enemy
Behavior Modification through operant and classical conditioning
Remove leader roles that would limit this violence and define it only under the socially approved guise of something like the military, or replace the social approval with new moral law like gangs

The more you read the literature, the strongest literature suggests a seriously screwed up development for children constantly exposed to violence and violence rewards (even simulated like movies and games).

Take a kid show them violence early.
Let them practice on increasingly violent video games.
Increasingly remove fathers from the home.
Replace fathers with gang leaders/media leaders/online leaders.

Behavioral Psychology | Killology Research Group

Going by skinner's development of operant conditioning you see:

Modern marksmanship training is such an excellent example of behaviorism that it has been used for years in the introductory psychology course taught to all cadets at the US Military Academy at West Point as a classic example of operant conditioning. In the 1980s, during a visit to West Point, B.F. Skinner identified modern military marksmanship training as a near-perfect application of operant conditioning.[66]
And we mimic this beautifully in modern games.

No playing video games doesn't take well controlled little Johnny and turn him into a school shooter. But it statistically makes him more aggressive than he would be otherwise, including playing non-violent games or being continuously exposed to non violent media.

It's aimless, leaderless, little johnny that takes a lifetime of violence and incorporates that into the flaws of society. Add in the depth of self-hatred that only Niezsche could be proud of. And you getting a ticking time bomb waiting to exact the justice against the human stain that is both him and caused him so much pain. It's suicide externalized.

Single parent homes.
Realistic violent games that reward the response.
Children accessing guns.
Wealth disparity.

Guns have been there and its always hot button. But if you're raising screwed up kids, you shouldn't live in a vacuum that they can be trusted to not touch your gun because you said so.

We should be admitting we have a cultural problem that includes glorifying violence in all kinds of weird ways, including the creation of pseudo-celebs from each shooter like you said.

Watch this winner:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PezlFNTGWv4
 

Limpy

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Oct 20, 2015
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Hey let me guess...
White male either always "weird" or otherwise aggrieved outsider with a recent perception of worsening injustice against him by the school or humanity.


How could that be?!? Surely this isn't a cultural problem!




It's a big part of it, but if you read On Killing he makes a case that the same conditioning that worked to make us kill the enemy is hard at play in our society making us more aggressive at a population level.

Dehumanize the enemy
Behavior Modification through operant and classical conditioning
Remove leader roles that would limit this violence and define it only under the socially approved guise of something like the military, or replace the social approval with new moral law like gangs

The more you read the literature, the strongest literature suggests a seriously screwed up development for children constantly exposed to violence and violence rewards (even simulated like movies and games).

Take a kid show them violence early.
Let them practice on increasingly violent video games.
Increasingly remove fathers from the home.
Replace fathers with gang leaders/media leaders/online leaders.

Behavioral Psychology | Killology Research Group

Going by skinner's development of operant conditioning you see:



And we mimic this beautifully in modern games.

No playing video games doesn't take well controlled little Johnny and turn him into a school shooter. But it statistically makes him more aggressive than he would be otherwise, including playing non-violent games or being continuously exposed to non violent media.

It's aimless, leaderless, little johnny that takes a lifetime of violence and incorporates that into the flaws of society. Add in the depth of self-hatred that only Niezsche could be proud of. And you getting a ticking time bomb waiting to exact the justice against the human stain that is both him and caused him so much pain. It's suicide externalized.

Single parent homes.
Realistic violent games that reward the response.
Children accessing guns.
Wealth disparity.

Guns have been there and its always hot button. But if you're raising screwed up kids, you shouldn't live in a vacuum that they can be trusted to not touch your gun because you said so.

We should be admitting we have a cultural problem that includes glorifying violence in all kinds of weird ways, including the creation of pseudo-celebs from each shooter like you said.

Watch this winner:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PezlFNTGWv4
You are so smart. Will you adopt me so @Lars and I be brothers? Maybe then he’ll stop texting me pics of his nuts.
 

Too swole to control

I’ll fight anyone on here except Sex Chicken
Oct 28, 2015
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the same media that wont let the russian collusion lie die? the media isnt interested in this shit stopping
Ya the media wants more ppl to shoot shit up so guns can get taken away. They want this shit. We will know everything about he shooters by noon. Their manifesto, videos, history, all u have to do is shoot some ppl and u famous .
 

Onetrickpony

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Ya the media wants more ppl to shoot shit up so guns can get taken away. They want this shit. We will know everything about he shooters by noon. Their manifesto, videos, history, all u have to do is shoot some ppl and u famous .
It’s not just about taking guns away. No matter which side of the gun debate a network lies on they will always cover these murderers because it gets ratings.

You’re definitely right about the end result.

 
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Too swole to control

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It’s not just about taking guns away. No matter which side of the gun debate a network lies on they will always cover these murderers because it gets ratings.

You’re are right definitely about the end result.


You can easily cover the shootings and get ratings without making the killers famous. I don't think that does anything but encourage other shootings. Most intelligent ppl seem to agree it is a horrible idea to keep doing that yet it is still happening.
 

Onetrickpony

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You can easily cover the shootings and get ratings without making the killers famous. I don't think that does anything but encourage other shootings. Most intelligent ppl seem to agree it is a horrible idea to keep doing that yet it is still happening.
I don’t know if the shootings would stop if the media stopped covering them. What I do know, is that there is no way in hell that that will ever happen.

If It Bleeds, It Leads: Understanding Fear-Based Media

I googled “fear makes public compliant” and google reworded my query, changed compliant to complaints, and all the results came up as “complaints against media”.

I had to reword to “fear based media makes public compliant” to get relevant results but even then, only the first 4 results contained “compliant” rather than “complaint”.

The obvious nature of that kind of redirecting is god damn frightening.

Enock-O-Lypse Now! @ENOCK its time you stepped in.
 

Enock-O-Lypse Now!

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I don’t know if the shootings would stop if the media stopped covering them. What I do know, is that there is no way in hell that that will ever happen.

If It Bleeds, It Leads: Understanding Fear-Based Media

I googled “fear makes public compliant” and google reworded my query, changed compliant to complaints, and all the results came up as “complaints against media”.

I had to reword to “fear based media makes public compliant” to get relevant results but even then, only the first 4 results contained “compliant” rather than “complaint”.

The obvious nature of that kind of redirecting is god damn frightening.

Enock-O-Lypse Now! @ENOCK its time you stepped in.
You got it Onetrickpony @Onetrickpony right on the money.

Conspiracy or not - The media loves tradegy like the Military Industrial Complex loves War...

The media wants to control the narrative and control what the public focuses on...

MSNBC’s Mika Brzezinski (See who her father was) slipped up here...

 

Wild

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18 year old shooter was most likely gay according to social media posts. Also a liberal who hated Trump. Based on his social media, he was obviously troubled mentally. The other shooter is described as transitioning from male to female.
 

Thuglife13

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18 year old shooter was most likely gay according to social media posts. Also a liberal who hated Trump. Based on his social media, he was obviously troubled mentally. The other shooter is described as transitioning from male to female.
What a fag!
 

Splinty

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18 year old shooter was most likely gay according to social media posts. Also a liberal who hated Trump. Based on his social media, he was obviously troubled mentally. The other shooter is described as transitioning from male to female.

Wonder if we'll find the leader/follower dynamic of Columbine.

Not lone wolf is uncommon.
 

lueVelvet

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Aug 29, 2015
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You can easily cover the shootings and get ratings without making the killers famous. I don't think that does anything but encourage other shootings. Most intelligent ppl seem to agree it is a horrible idea to keep doing that yet it is still happening.
It also destroys the shooters families and relatives when they have to deal with the media for months on end.
 

Too swole to control

I’ll fight anyone on here except Sex Chicken
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It also destroys the shooters families and relatives when they have to deal with the media for months on end.
Oh yeah THATS what destroys the shooters families. I know if I went on a kill spree, the media is what my dad would be annoyed about.