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Jan 21, 2015
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Splinty letting me off easy :D

When I saw him post I thought 'Oh shit here we go, Splinty gonna bring tha goodz' lol

I wasn't comparing Dresden to the total of Nazi crimes. I was comparing the total crimes and blood on the hands of the combined Allied elites as they stood, which was unfathomable. When you consider the crimes of the British Empire alone who were ACTUALLY colonizing the world under some racial concept of royal superiority the scales are already tipped. Add to that the Holodomor (which no one barely ever hears of), mass firebombs + a couple of Atomic drops over Japan (who weren't even Nazis)... and we don't even need to talk about Eisenhower or Dresden anymore and its still a landslide comparatively. Economic/Financial/Resource warfare also accumulating much blood on its hands.

Also I must say, citing accusations of rumor or myth about the details and specifics of WWII history (you claiming that bombings of Dresden or Eisenhower's POW camp is fake news) can go both ways. That's dangerous territory but sometimes also really interesting. If you have reason to believe that tales of Dresden and Eisenhower were beefed up for someone's propaganda that's super interesting I wouldn't be surprised. I will check that out.

But trying to wash out the total crimes/blood of the Allies of that day? or say they were significantly less than that of the Germans? I can't see that ever adding up.

That doesn't make the Germans the good guys, I said that before I don't see it like good guys vs bad guys. People just want to do this because we are products of the winners of those atrocities, we are products of that 'team'. Its easier to think that we are the Good Guys of course.

I would bet most Germans thought they were the good guys too. Likely victims of their own propaganda, fighting for everything they thought they stood for. In this view there were likely just as many grand tales on the other side of valor and heroism as D-Day, young boys and men the same. Yet who ever dares to 'honor' them for doing what they believed to be the very same thing?

I will honor all who fought and died in wars, believing they were doing the right thing. But that doesn't stop me from hating the fact that there were other reasons why they died that was never explained to them, and even some great lies that were. Its really sad. I don't come here to destroy the sentiment of the thread, I come to share my own way of grieving and honoring these names
 
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I would bet most Germans thought they were the good guys too. Likely victims of their own propaganda, fighting for everything they thought they stood for. In this view there were likely just as many grand tales on the other side of valor and heroism as D-Day, young boys and men the same. Yet who ever dares to 'honor' them for doing what they believed to be the very same thing?

I tried to find German vet interviews for this thread actually. I could only find one recent on YouTube so gave up the hunt. It's a normandy thread. The point was to remember the context and sacrifice and acts of this very pivatol moment in world history.


Also I must say, citing accusations of rumor or myth about the details and specifics of WWII history (you claiming that bombings of Dresden or Eisenhower's POW camp is fake news) can go both ways. That's dangerous territory but sometimes also really interesting. If you have reason to believe that tales of Dresden and Eisenhower were beefed up for someone's propaganda that's super interesting I wouldn't be surprised. I will check that out.
A number of unbiased individuals including a specific consortium of historians have systematically debunked that book. I'm not just lobbing denials.

Splinty letting me off easy :D

When I saw him post I thought 'Oh shit here we go, Splinty gonna bring tha goodz' lol

I'm not into a fight :)

a couple of Atomic drops over Japan (who weren't even Nazis).

Come now. Surely you can recognize the incredible context being left out here.
 
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Hey Splinty thanks.

I agree with all your comments, I know you have a good eye for history.

Is that 'Other Losses' book the only source that makes claims of Eisenhower's POW camp and Dresden casualties? That's interesting if true... (see? we have so much crap in our heads about it all we don't know what's what) Also see you're citing Irving's book, that guy is another ball of wax, lol but I think the destruction of Dresden cannot can be debated. Numbers are always inflated and guesswork but its pretty documented they turned it to rubble, there are videos and info galore on this even in mainstream history

Also I don't understand your last comment. Are you referring to Pearl Harbor?

I'm not surprised you couldn't find much German vet talk videos
 
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Is that 'Other Losses' book the only source that makes claims of Eisenhower's POW camp and Dresden casualties?
It's the original source and why I'm focused on it. No one else has corroborated it and its been pretty well torn apart.