General Official Religion Thread - Out yourself as a spastic and a coward in here

Never_Rolled said:

I haven’t closed anything off. If one of those things appears to me I will then rethink my current position. I’m open minded while living in my current reality. I never said anyone was a fool. Mental illness also can create great art or being in an impaired state.

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It is a personal assumption that simply making a statement like 'I don't believe in (list of concepts) yes actually can/will block a person from having any such experience. Or if they do their preset belief system will explain it away rationally somehow and miss the magic. If a person is more open and yet discerning lots can open up to see and experience.

This Pothead said:

I agree to a certain point. Being religious can be a beautiful thing. The love and passion some people have is a wonderful sight to behold. Helping others to better themselves has to be one of the best feeling in the world. The hate in people's hearts is the problem.

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Winner!

There is much fruit that flows from a religious life if we are able to get to some of the heart and roots of it, and not get hung up on the details and structure.

Joseph Campbell used to say that a MYTH is a story or set of symbols that help us navigate truths and realities that are too vast to comprehend. We must put these truths into symbols and stories in order to grasp them, to teach them to new generations etc. That's why real Myths endure, they touch upon something we know is real and important

Problem is when people get hung up on the details of the myth, and lose sight of what the myth is trying to tell us

Masato Toys said:

^^ yes and yes. Religion is a scourge

But WHY does it work so well??

IMHO its because we all sense that there is something like that in our essence, we FEEL something beyond the physical its not just belief, in many ways people glimpse at the divine and are forever astounded. We crave nourishing it and finding it again but don't know how. If someone can fill that void just a little bit you have them hooked. Throw a threat like hell etc in the mix and people are fucked lol

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But I don’t have any of that “feel” in me at all therefore I don’t have a void to fill. I could very well be the simpleminded one and I’m ok with that also. I can sleep in on Sunday’s.

I bet you have your moments, they're just not connected to any religious jargon. This is to your benefit perhaps

Did you not ever have a moment where you felt a strong direction in life? Some passion guiding you? A string of coincidences that lead you to lifechanging moments? A dream that unlocked some question for you? That good feeling lump in the throat from doing something with love, the sickness from doing something wrong? Falling in love with someone? etc etc

Where do all these things come from? Why do they touch us so deeply?
This is the stuff of the soul

I'm not much of an expert on anything but I know this.

Who am I to say how people should find the strength and faith to carry on through tough times?

I think I'll just stick to trying to make it through each day the best way I can and not worry about others as long as it isn't hurting anyone.

Masato Toys said:

I bet you have your moments, they're just not connected to any religious jargon. This is to your benefit perhaps

Did you not ever have a moment where you felt a strong direction in life? Some passion guiding you? A string of coincidences that lead you to lifechanging moments? That good feeling lump in the throat from doing something with love, the sickness from doing something wrong? Falling in love with someone? etc etc

Where do all these things come from? Why do they touch us so deeply?
This is the stuff of the soul

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Sure I experience all that but to me it's just part of the human condition. I don't need it to be any more or less than that. Different personalities see the same things differently. You ever see threads where conservatives and liberals watch a cop kill an armed suspect? Very different reactions. The difference is I accept I am this way and you see things your way. You need me to see things your way. I don't need or expect that from you.

Never_Rolled said:

Sure I experience all that but to me it's just part of the human condition. I don't need it to be any more or less than that. Different personalities see the same things differently. You ever see threads where conservatives and liberals watch a cop kill an armed suspect? Very different reactions. The difference is I accept I am this way and you see things your way. You need me to see things your way. I don't need or expect that from you.

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I don't need that from you. I'm just discussing

Agree 100% with the rest of your post

Masato Toys said:

I don't need that from you. I'm just discussing

Agree 100% with the rest of your post

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It seems as though it bothers you or you have a need to have me believe as you do? I get that from your posts but maybe that isn't your intention? What a boring world it would be if we were all the same and had all the same thoughts.

Some people need explanations for things they (we) don't understand. I do for more practical things, science etc etc. I don't have any interest at all in anything spiritual. When I was on dating sites if chicks mentioned they were spiritual I clicked next. I like to deal in absolutes if that makes sense. I can see how that would be very boring to spiritual people.

Never_Rolled said:

It seems as though it bothers you or you have a need to have me believe as you do? I get that from your posts but maybe that isn't your intention? What a boring world it would be if we were all the same and had all the same thoughts.

Some people need explanations for things they (we) don't understand. I do for more practical things, science etc etc. I don't have any interest at all in anything spiritual. When I was on dating sites if chicks mentioned they were spiritual I clicked next. I like to deal in absolutes if that makes sense. I can see how that would be very boring to spiritual people.

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I can dig it man. Not trying to change anyones mind, just sharing and discussing that's what forums are for imo

Agree totally, that was my same point; people experience life in all sorts of ways. OP seemed to be ridiculing that

Masato Toys said:

I can dig it man

Agree totally, that was my same point people experience life in all sorts of ways. OP seemed to be ridiculing that

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In my first post I made it clear I didn't agree with OP.


I was thinking about something else as well. Your spirituality has served you well in your work. Creative types seem have this in common. My lack of diversity if you will has served me well also. We probably couldn't do each others work keeping our same personalities so in the end it all works out.

Never_Rolled said:

In my first post I made it clear I didn't agree with OP.


I was thinking about something else as well. Your spirituality has served you well in your work. Creative types seem have this in common. My lack of diversity if you will has served me well also. We probably couldn't do each others work keeping our same personalities so in the end it all works out.

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yeah exactly! The world is full of endless points of view and experiences. My own is my own, but its not the whole. Respect for the many others we can't even dream of imo

My spirituality has not served me yet completely in my work, I still do mostly grunt stuff for soulless clients. Though am hoping/sensing to make some big moves soon and yes I will be relying on all my shamantistc bullshit to help me lol I'll keep ya posted

Masato Toys said:

My spirituality has not served me yet completely in my work, I still do mostly grunt stuff for soulless clients. Though am hoping/sensing to make some big moves soon and yes I will be relying on all my shamantistc bullshit to help me lol I'll keep ya posted

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You are selling yourself short. Your clients may be soulless fucks not unlike myself but they still need you to create for them. Your creativity comes from many places. Guys like them (me) don't have that.

lots of ways of being creative but thanks

Never_Rolled said:

I don’t think I’m extreme but maybe with your definition I am? I don’t believe in god, ghosts, supernatural, reincarnation, aliens, spirits, @Ricky Bobby ever having sex again etc etc. If one were to show themselves I would be happy to change my mind. I also have no problem if you believe in any of those things. But yeah basically a bunch of cells and you die.

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Pure materialism is a cancerous ideology

Toelocku said:

Pure materialism is a cancerous ideology

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I like to fuck too, a lot actually.

Never_Rolled said:

I like to fuck too, a lot actually.

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Hedonism is fun for a while

Toelocku said:

Hedonism is fun for a while

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You can settle down with one good one and fuck a lot too.

Never_Rolled said:

You can settle down with one good one and fuck a lot too.

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I agree

Never_Rolled said:

I don’t think I’m extreme but maybe with your definition I am? I don’t believe in god, ghosts, supernatural, reincarnation, aliens, spirits, @Ricky Bobby ever having sex again etc etc. If one were to show themselves I would be happy to change my mind. I also have no problem if you believe in any of those things. But yeah basically a bunch of cells and you die.

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Religion has served a great role in developing community institutions, systems of learning, and even in overthrowing tyrants. Modernity has made it less useful, except for transmitting cultures and customs.

Agnostics, or people who cling to a vague, undefined "spirituality" are actually doing more damage, in my view, because they substitute a non-explanation for admitting some things are simply difficult to know right now or require more critical thought. Maybe the only thing more troubling is the modern trend toward "mindfulness" or worse, laws of attraction.

There are plenty of things humans will never know or even hope to understand before we're extinct. I don't begrudge most people for coming up with whatever explanation helps them keep putting one foot in front of the other and not hurting themselves or others. What I have more problems with are people who are absolutely certain and use that certainty to deny things to others.

I am not gonna read this whole thread but I am assuming that TMMAC has solved all religious issues and has discovered the one true religion. Great job.