General Bernie unveils student debt cancellation bill

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Filthy

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Yes words do have meanings and as I said bad decisions are a learning experience/consequence

Enslaving young people to a lifetime of usurious interest should be illegal

We definitely can afford it if we taxed properly and didn't spend stupidly
no, you cannot 'afford' anything when you're in debt. Nobody is being enslaved. A bad decision isn't a consequence. If there's if stupid doesn't hurt, then there's no reason to stop doing stupid things. A bad decision without consequence wasn't a bad decision.
 

Filthy

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The ole pullup your bootstraps line
don't understand what that has to do with a 'right' to college.
I think a lot of people are confusing their sense of entitlement with a 'right' to those entitlements.
 

Toelocku

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no, you cannot 'afford' anything when you're in debt. Nobody is being enslaved. A bad decision isn't a consequence. If there's if stupid doesn't hurt, then there's no reason to stop doing stupid things. A bad decision without consequence wasn't a bad decision.
Your whole framing is wrong education should be a priority in society with universal access
 

Filthy

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Your whole framing is wrong education should be a priority in society with universal access
why is college a priority? Why does making college a priority mean overpaying for it?
Education can be a priority without being completely subsidized.

What's that thing that the government took over that works really well and delivers results at or above projections?
 

Toelocku

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don't understand what that has to do with a 'right' to college.
I think a lot of people are confusing their sense of entitlement with a 'right' to those entitlements.
You emoji smiled at...

"Primary education Social Security was devised by the government as a way to create compliant, obedient citizens."

I said muh bootstraps as I was making fun of this mentality
 

Filthy

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You emoji smiled at...

"Primary education Social Security was devised by the government as a way to create compliant, obedient citizens."

I said muh bootstraps as I was making fun of this mentality
ahhhh.

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Splinty

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It was a reply to Connors comment not an explanation

You quoted me.
So how's it gonna work in debt cancellation?
250,000 school for 4 years...
Is there a limit on the price that will get canceled?
How will you determine the limit? If not how do you stop schools from raising the price because someone else is paying the bill? If a school is over that limit, won't the student in AOCs referenced video still be prevented from going to her "dream school"? If you're going to implement cost controls how you maintain quality of that school that currently cost $250,000?
 

Toelocku

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You quoted me.
So how's it gonna work in debt cancellation?
250,000 school for 4 years...
Is there a limit on the price that will get canceled?
How will you determine the limit? If not how do you stop schools from raising the price because someone else is paying the bill? If a school is over that limit, won't the student in AOCs referenced video still be prevented from going to her "dream school"? If you're going to implement cost controls how you maintain quality of that school that currently cost $250,000?
Ya not sure what happened

Are you asking what Bernie's plan is or what I would do?
 

Splinty

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Ya not sure what happened

Are you asking what Bernie's plan is or what I would do?

What's the current plan? As I posted in my comment.
Both Bernie and AOC support debt cancellation and continued free schooling. She gives this example so I'm asking about how this example plugs into the plan this thread is talking about.
 

Toelocku

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What's the current plan? As I posted in my comment.
Both Bernie and AOC support debt cancellation and continued free schooling. She gives this example so I'm asking about how this example plugs into the plan this thread is talking about.
I don't know anything about aoc plan let me look into it and I'll post later tonight
 

Never_Rolled

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Community college is very affordable good bang for your buck. My son had a band day at FIU in Miami when he was a freshman (he has since quit band) they had a lesson from the music dept. head and got to march for an FIU game with their band. It was a big deal for HS kids.

Music teacher made the kids an offer. If they choose FIU joined his band and also band in the off season he would basically pay their entire tuition. He had grant money to build the band. Point is there are schools that offer incentives. You have to be diligent, do your homework and find them if you are looking for money. It's out there but you also need to reciprocate. Many people have entitlement issues and think everything should be handed to them. Life doesn't work that way. If opportunity doesn't knock, build a door.
 

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We definitely can afford it if we taxed properly and didn't spend stupidly
I agree we can "afford" it. I put afford in quotes because we are monstrously in debt, but we find money for plenty of frivolous shit, so yeah - the money is there.

But I would also categorize free taxpayer funded college as "spending stupidly"
 

Never_Rolled

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I agree we can "afford" it. I put afford in quotes because we are monstrously in debt, but we find money for plenty of frivolous shit, so yeah - the money is there.

But I would also categorize free taxpayer funded college as "spending stupidly"
We just keep adding and adding to the credit card (national debt). I complained when Obama did it and I am complaining that Trump is doing it.
 

Hauler

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We just keep adding and adding to the credit card (national debt). I complained when Obama did it and I am complaining that Trump is doing it.
We need Slick Willie in there again. He was too busy worrying about getting his dick wet to spend money he didn't have.
 

Never_Rolled

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We need Slick Willie in there again. He was too busy worrying about getting his dick wet to spend money he didn't have.
I’ve had the most success under Bill and Trump. It pains me to admit that about Slick Willie but financially it was a good time.
 

Filthy

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I agree we can "afford" it. I put afford in quotes because we are monstrously in debt, but we find money for plenty of frivolous shit, so yeah - the money is there.

But I would also categorize free taxpayer funded college as "spending stupidly"
no, the money is not there. Just because we keep telling ourselves that the money is there and spending like the money is there doesn't make the money there.

It's not there. That's what debt means.