General What happened to 'fiscal conservatives'? Any on here?

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Sheepdog

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Papi Chingon said:
It wasn't posted because it is complete projection. We are two years in and trade deals, oil exports, amd the like aren't accounted for. My post did include the 44% projected, but again we are in the infancy of this presidency. I'm not hiding anything, I just didn't find it necessary to post a graph based on nothing thus far.
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Yes, it's a projection. Based on the situation as it pertains to the growing economy Trump inherited. Comparing him to Obama, who came into office during a global financial crisis also makes no sense. Let's compare Trump to him if a massive recession hits.

Do you also realize how fucking stupid a cumulative debt percentage growth chart is without any further context? (Obviously not). If person A grows the debt from from 1 trillion to 2 trillion, he's grown the debt by 100%. Person B grows the debt from 2 trillion to 3 trillion, it's the same increase but he's only grown the debt by 50%.If person C in the future grows the debt from 100 trillion to 110 trillion, he's only grown the debt by 10% but he's actually grown the debt by 10x what Person A and B did.

Now of course, inflation also matters. But that's the point. Lots of things that matter don't show up in that shitty chart.
 
Papi Chingon

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lordofthepies said:
Yes, it's a projection. Based on the situation as it pertains to the growing economy Trump inherited. Comparing him to Obama, who came into office during a global financial crisis also makes no sense. Let's compare Trump to him if a massive recession hits.

Do you also realize how fucking stupid a cumulative debt percentage growth chart is without any further context? (Obviously not). If person A grows the debt from from 1 trillion to 2 trillion, he's grown the debt by 100%. Person B grows the debt from 2 trillion to 3 trillion, it's the same increase but he's only grown the debt by 50%.If person C in the future grows the debt from 100 trillion to 110 trillion, he's only grown the debt by 10% but he's actually grown the debt by 10x what Person A and B did.

Now of course, inflation also matters. But that's the point. Lots of things that matter don't show up in that shitty chart.
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Are you making an excuse for the national debt going from $10.6t to $19.9t under obama? Might want to rethink that, lol.
 
RaginCajun

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Papi Chingon said:
To help a country, while helping a company is not bribery. Giving coe's bonuses is not the decision of the government. This is a decision made by the board of directors. Perhaps a company moves to China and pays all workers a cup of rice a month, then the CEO makes more without the bonus. Would that be better than giving americans jobs?
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I am specifically talking about tax breaks specifically for CEO bonuses, I agree with you on the other points.


Don't get me wrong, as a medical operations supervisor, I like getting paid more than everyone else, but I also see thing from other point if views and don't believe that it is a necessity for the rich to prosper in the way things are going. The bubble will eventually burst.
 
Rambo John J

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Papi Chingon said:
Have you never seen that movie? Could be the funniest movie in history (for the first 3/4, then it goes to shit, but totally worth it for the fist 3/4)
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I have seen it...very good.
just can't remember all of it
 
Sheepdog

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Papi Chingon said:
Are you making an excuse for the national debt going from $10.6t to $19.9t under obama? Might want to rethink that, lol.
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LOL at having your shitty evidence exposed and then immediately trying to deflect.

As for your question, I thought I made it pretty fucking obvious that the focus on the deficit and debt without context is retarded. That's the entire point of the thread. I complimented Trump for not being a deficit dipshit. The problem with Obama is where the deficit spending went, not that it existed.
 
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RaginCajun said:
I am specifically talking about tax breaks specifically for CEO bonuses, I agree with you on the other points.


Don't get me wrong, as a medical operations supervisor, I like getting paid more than everyone else, but I also see thing from other point if views and don't believe that it is a necessity for the rich to prosper in the way things are going. The bubble will eventually burst.
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In the united states, anyone can start a company if they have an idea. If they are successful and end up hiring employees, the decision is up to them on whether to pay $.15/hour in a third world country for nonskid led labor, or whatever minimum wage is here, plus benefits, plus insurance. What keeps a company here, amd labor here? There has to be benefits to the high costs and risk of some tranny suing the company for a woman saying she isn't comfortable with a dude with a dick gawking at her pussy, then the court system backing the tranny and suing the company for everything they are worth (then boycotts from social justice warriors, like it's the company's problem).
 
Papi Chingon

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lordofthepies said:
LOL at having your shitty evidence exposed and then immediately trying to deflect.

As for your question, I thought I made it pretty fucking obvious that the focus on the deficit and debt without context is retarded. That's the entire point of the thread. I complimented Trump for not being a deficit dipshit. The problem with Obama is where the deficit spending went, not that it existed.
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Shitty evidence? Like actual proof of numbers, not projection? Lol, ok.
 
RaginCajun

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Papi Chingon said:
In the united states, anyone can start a company if they have an idea. If they are successful and end up hiring employees, the decision is up to them on whether to pay $.15/hour in a third world country for nonskid led labor, or whatever minimum wage is here, plus benefits, plus insurance. What keeps a company here, amd labor here? There has to be benefits to the high costs and risk of some tranny suing the company for a woman saying she isn't comfortable with a dude with a dick gawking at her pussy, then the court system backing the tranny and suing the company for everything they are worth (then boycotts from social justice warriors, like it's the company's problem).
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Yep, and the benefit for CEO'S are huge bonuses hence the big houses in my first post. You are not wrong, I just don't agree with how CEO pay and bonuses are structured.
 
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RaginCajun said:
Yep, and the benefit for CEO'S are huge bonuses hence the big houses in my first post. You are not wrong, I just don't agree with how CEO pay and bonuses are structured.
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Companies can make their own choices as far as I'm concerned. If there is a tax break given to them by the government to keep their company and operations within the country, which means it benefits American workers, I'm all for it. If a CEO is paid 2 billion times what a janitor is paid, I couldn't care less. Skilled work has a price, as does ingenuity.
 
RaginCajun

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Papi Chingon said:
Companies can make their own choices as far as I'm concerned. If there is a tax break given to them by the government to keep their company and operations within the country, which means it benefits American workers, I'm all for it. If a CEO is paid 2 billion times what a janitor is paid, I couldn't care less. Skilled work has a price, as does ingenuity.
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Okay comrade. Clearly and overcompensating communist.
 
Papi Chingon

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RaginCajun said:
Okay comrade. Clearly and overcompensating communist.
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Communism
a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs

Want to rephrase you post?
 
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I don't fret the deficit too much but I despise all of the wasteful spending. And holy shit is there a lot of it.

So fiscally I'm conservative in regards to taxation and how that money is spent. If we eliminated the fluff and overspend on everything that the government did and quit insisting on "spreading democracy" by dropping billions of dollars of bombs and then spending billions more on nation building then the deficit would take care of itself. Sometimes it would be higher, sometimes it would be lower but it should never have to climb as steeply as it has for the last 16 odd years and counting.
 
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You mean cheapskates?

I'm sure we have a few here but I wouldn't necessarily expect them to come forward and own up to it.;)
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That’s where you’re wrong, old timer!

I was raised in a poor immigrant household. A poor Jewish immigrant household. I live my life off a spreadsheet and only buy the best deals.

Unless I’m drunk then all bets are off
 
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Lars said:
That’s where you’re wrong, old timer!

I was raised in a poor immigrant household. A poor Jewish immigrant household. I live my life off a spreadsheet and only buy the best deals.

Unless I’m drunk then all bets are off
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Are you a Manischewitz man?
 
kneeblock

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Papi Chingon said:


  • The national debt grew by 15% through February 11 of Clinton'sfirst term and ended up growing by 36% by the end of the 2000 fiscal year, the final full fiscal year of his presidency.
  • The debt grew by 12% during Bush's first 752 days and grew by 75% when the 2008 fiscal year came to a close.
  • Under Obama's first two years and change, the national debt grew by 33%, and it grew by 84% by the end of the 2016 fiscal year.
  • The debt grew 10% in Trump's first 752 days and is projected to grow by 44% by the end of the 2024 fiscal year.
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Do you remember 2007-10?
 
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