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Lamont Cranston

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  • Flyweight 125 lb
  • Bantamweight 135 lb
  • Featherweight 145 lb
  • Lightweight 155 lb
  • Welterweight 170 lb
  • Middleweight 185 lb
  • Cruiserweight 205 lb
  • Light Heavyweight 235 lb
  • Heavyweight 265 lb
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ECC170

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Dougie said:
Men
  • Flyweight 125 lb
  • Bantamweight 135 lb
  • Featherweight 145 lb
  • Lightweight 155 lb
  • Welterweight 170 lb
  • Middleweight 185 lb
  • Cruiserweight 205 lb
  • Light Heavyweight 235 lb
  • Heavyweight 265 lb
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Good idea.. I just dont know If there's enough talent grom 205-265 to have 3 divisions..maybe raise the hw Limit and make Lhw up to 215
 
kneeblock

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Dougie said:
Men
  • Flyweight 125 lb
  • Bantamweight 135 lb
  • Featherweight 145 lb
  • Lightweight 155 lb
  • Welterweight 170 lb
  • Middleweight 185 lb
  • Cruiserweight 205 lb
  • Light Heavyweight 235 lb
  • Heavyweight 265 lb
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I'd go further

Atom: 118
Fly: 128
Bantam: 138
Feather: 148
Light: 158
Welter: 168
Middle: 178
Light Heavy: 188
Cruiser: 200
Heavy: 201-230
Superheavy: 230-250
Ultraheavy: 250-300

OR

FW: 125 and under
LW: 126-140
WW: 141-160
MW: 161-180
LHW: 181-200
Cruiser: 200-220
HW: 220+
 
Lamont Cranston

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ECC170 said:
Good idea.. I just dont know If there's enough talent grom 205-265 to have 3 divisions..maybe raise the hw Limit and make Lhw up to 215
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There wasn't enough talent for a women's division and now we have 2.

...if you create it, it will come.
 
Lamont Cranston

Lamont Cranston

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Dougie said:
Men
  • Flyweight 125 lb
  • Bantamweight 135 lb
  • Featherweight 145 lb
  • Lightweight 155 lb
  • Welterweight 170 lb
  • Middleweight 185 lb
  • Cruiserweight 205 lb
  • Light Heavyweight 235 lb
  • Heavyweight 265 lb
Discuss...
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Note: 265lbs PLUS is Super Heavyweight.
 
Lamont Cranston

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Kneeblock said:
I'd go further

Atom: 118
Fly: 128
Bantam: 138
Feather: 148
Light: 158
Welter: 168
Middle: 178
Light Heavy: 188
Cruiser: 200
Heavy: 201-230
Superheavy: 230-250
Ultraheavy: 250-300

OR

FW: 125 and under
LW: 126-140
WW: 141-160
MW: 161-180
LHW: 181-200
Cruiser: 200-220
HW: 220+
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As much as these sound appealing I think you're doing too much to make changes in established weight classes.

Having the Cruiserweight is simply refining what is already there, imo.
 
Lamont Cranston

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RickStorm said:
Cruiserweight should be above LHW
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I'd be ok with making 235 Cruiserweight and keeping 205 as Light Heavyweight. In fact it makes the change even easier without having to switch weight class names and simply brings in a new class.
 
kneeblock

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I've said idea this before btw.
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Lol we can see it in the Similar Threads list below.

I agree my suggestions are too liberal. Yours are sound, but put a heavy burden on the 235+ weight class to sustain talent. Guys like Cain, big Nog and Mir probably could have made 235. Fedor and Cro Cop definitely could. The over 235 set would feature even more rematches than the current HW division does.

I think you can't address the problem with the tweeners within 10 lbs of the LHW limit without modifying limits for MW and LHW. That is the only way to create an additional class imo
 
ChaosOverkill

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You have to up 265 then, 235 to 265 is too thin. I would move it to 280.

Gassing is a problem after 235 regardless really, just don't sign overly fat hw/shw's
 
Zeph

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There aren't enough good fighters above 205 to split into two weight classes. Hell, even 205 is thin, despite a strongish top 5-6. If we want to add a weight class it should come between LW and WW. I don't mind if you want to move LW and WW around some to accomplish it, but any more than that isn't really needed.

WW and LW are both pushing, or over, 100 fighters signed, with deep talent pools, where being able to say you are top 25 means a lot more than at heavyweight, light heavyweight, or even middleweight.
 
ChaosOverkill

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Zeph said:
There aren't enough good fighters above 205 to split into two weight classes. Hell, even 205 is thin, despite a strongish top 5-6. If we want to add a weight class it should come between LW and WW. I don't mind if you want to move LW and WW around some to accomplish it, but any more than that isn't really needed.

WW and LW are both pushing, or over, 100 fighters signed, with deep talent pools, where being able to say you are top 25 means a lot more than at heavyweight, light heavyweight, or even middleweight.
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If they won't sign a shop wrecker in Khalidov and others like Fedor, Kharitonov are a constant problem to sign due to price or policy it's not that they aren't out there, the UFC only wants the ones who play ball or are Stars who talk like a stereotype or are unique in terms of social issue.

As is, yes it's thin, but they aren't trying all they can to fix that either. Trying make Werdum the reason the belt ground a halt again is evidence they just don't care until Jones comes back or Cain has the belt and every opportunity and help/time possible to get it.

No it will never be as deep as the mean deepest range and I agree with the problems currently, it is fact, but the UFC is complicit in what 205 to 265 is now. They let the fight frequency fall at HW, it's conditioning people to forget it, it was never the pinnacle of skill to begin with, they cut guys easily at the weight, Mitrione is getting hardlined. If they don't care fine, but they better not complain about the state of it then.

It was inevitable result of so many events and not enough big men, you cut the legs off from the divisions you neglect.
 
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Zeph

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ChaosOverkill said:
If they won't sign a shop wrecker in Khalidov and others like Fedor, Kharitonov are a constant problem to sign due to price or policy it's not that they aren't out there, the UFC only wants the ones who play ball or are Stars who talk like a stereotype or are unique in terms of social issue.

As is, yes it's thin, but they aren't trying all they can to fix that either. Trying make Werdum the reason the belt ground a halt again is evidence they just don't care until Jones comes back or Cain has the belt and every opportunity and help/time possible to get it.

No it will never be as deep as the mean deepest range and I agree with the problems currently, it is fact, but the UFC is complicit in what 205 to 265 is now. They let the fight frequency fall at HW, it's conditioning people to forget it, it was never the pinnacle of skill to begin with, they cut guys easily at the weight, Mitrione is getting hardlined. If they don't care fine, but they better not complain about the state of it then.

It was inevitable result of so many events and not enough big men, you cut the legs off from the divisions you neglect.
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Khalidov is at 185, so he doesn't fix the problem at heavyweight, and even then he is 35 now, that ship has realistically sailed. I agree they should have signed him, and you are right they don't always pony up, but that just isn't the case at heavyweight. If the UFC aren't signing them, someone else would be, but the fact Cup Chieck was their heavyweight champ and that the division is practically forgotten for the amount of fights it gets, tells you all you need to know about the landscape at heavyweight.

As far as deliberately letting the fight frequency fall at heavyweight goes, I think you have a distorted perspective. The UFC in the last few years has put on more fights than ever, despite slightly scaling back this year, but I don't think there have been less heavyweight fights than before, just that there are significantly more fights in other divisions. What this does is bring down the % of fights that are heavyweight bouts, but doesn't decrease the actual number of fights, they just feel fewer and are farther between.

Any org wants heavyweight fights, but expansion hasn't been possible in that division like it has been in lighter weight classes, because these guys just don't exist in higher quantities. Specifically in the case of Werdum vs Cain, yes, it is obvious they want Cain champion and perhaps tried to push the title fight onto a card in Mexico, but I don't think that is indicative of the whole division. Can you provide some examples of guys cut easily at heavyweight, because I'm drawing a blank.
 
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regular john

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thank god you guys aren't running mma the last thing we need is another division in the upper weight range.

you are plotting to add a division where there's no talent pool for the ones we already have and to destroy the value of the usually best HWs fighters by denying them the claim of "Heavyweight champion" - which would be left for some 300 pounds scrub, ruining the marketable top division.
 
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Men
  • Flyweight 125 lb
  • Bantamweight 135 lb
  • Featherweight 145 lb
  • Lightweight 155 lb
  • Welterweight 170 lb
  • Middleweight 185 lb
  • Cruiserweight 205 lb
  • Light Heavyweight 235 lb
  • Heavyweight 265 lb
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Seeing that rankings are a joke,I'd much rather see just open weight classes again.Why?For one this weight cutting Bullshit is gone too far,UFC is obvo leaning towards wwe format,fighters are winning 3,4,6,7 in a row and deemed not worthy.Just cut out the weight classes,so basically all the cowards cutting 30+ lbs will fuck off,fighters won't be consumed with the Cut on fight week,no IVs needed...think of all the potential matchups..it would be insane.Dana could still show off his little Irishman,Conor could literally fight anyone than.lol...that's how good it could be.Conor vs Rockhold,D.C vs Ruthless,Rumble vs Rousey..
 
BeardOfKnowledge

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IMO,

135 Bantamweight
145 Featherweight
155 Lightweight
165 Welterweight
175 Middleweight
185 Light Heavyweight
200+ Heavyweight


More divisions where there's going to be more depth, consolidate talent where they're thinner. LHW right now is about the most redundant thing in the sport. HW is dominated by guys who weigh 230-240 LHW is dominated by guys who weigh 230-240 and then cut to 205.
 
ChaosOverkill

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Zeph said:
Khalidov is at 185, so he doesn't fix the problem at heavyweight, and even then he is 35 now, that ship has realistically sailed. I agree they should have signed him, and you are right they don't always pony up, but that just isn't the case at heavyweight. If the UFC aren't signing them, someone else would be, but the fact Cup Chieck was their heavyweight champ and that the division is practically forgotten for the amount of fights it gets, tells you all you need to know about the landscape at heavyweight.

As far as deliberately letting the fight frequency fall at heavyweight goes, I think you have a distorted perspective. The UFC in the last few years has put on more fights than ever, despite slightly scaling back this year, but I don't think there have been less heavyweight fights than before, just that there are significantly more fights in other divisions. What this does is bring down the % of fights that are heavyweight bouts, but doesn't decrease the actual number of fights, they just feel fewer and are farther between.

Any org wants heavyweight fights, but expansion hasn't been possible in that division like it has been in lighter weight classes, because these guys just don't exist in higher quantities. Specifically in the case of Werdum vs Cain, yes, it is obvious they want Cain champion and perhaps tried to push the title fight onto a card in Mexico, but I don't think that is indicative of the whole division. Can you provide some samples of guys cut easily at heavyweight, because I'm drawing a blank.
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Khalidov fights at both like a lot of guys make it worth his while.

Once upon a time, UFC "had all the talent" while Strikeforce's HW's and others were looked upon as not worthy, well that turned out wrong, I'm not gonna accept there isn't talent out there and there was a breakdown done of HW's fight frequency last year the majority were under two fights, if that doesn't mean less fights I don't know what does then and the problem is the UFC didn't do enough to keep up in those divisions. I'm not gonna call them weak and their hands tied if their shallowest pool fights less than twice a year. Whatever the reason is, it's happening and they haven't given any attention to a lot of good stories in it either, if you disagree that's fine but they care about Cain and Mark Hunt when in Australia the rest I don't see it.

If the fighters wouldn't accept more fights to keep up with the frequency of events when offered to put HW fights on it fine but I want proof of that.
 
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ChaosOverkill said:
Khalidov fights at both.

Once upon a time, UFC "had all the talent" while Strikeforce's HW's and others were looked upon as not worthy, well that turned out wrong, I'm not gonna accept there isn't talent out there and there was a breakdown done of HW's fight frequency last year the majority were under two fights, if that doesn't mean less fights I don't know what does then and the problem is the UFC didn't do enough to keep up in those divisions. I'm not gonna call them weak and their hands tied if their shallowest pool fights less than twice a year.
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Strikeforce's heavyweight division was looked upon very favourably by savvy fans, infact most of Strikeforce was, that isn't the case for any heavyweight division in the world currently. Times change.
 
ChaosOverkill

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Zeph said:
Strikeforce's heavyweight division was looked upon very favourably by savvy fans, infact most of Strikeforce was, that isn't the case for any heavyweight division in the world currently. Times change.
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Keyword savvy fans, who has always bought Dana's crap? The casuals, at every stage they bought how weak everything was outside of Zuffa's clutchs like when Brock signed that they had the stable complete now and they believe now that Rousey isn't in a weak division either. I'm not accepting with no TUF tried in over half a decade there isn't something they need to try or go look for Zeph I'm not.


It would mean a serious problem for MMA's growth if that's the case.

It's been left to float to me.
 
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ChaosOverkill

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either that or Cain's inactivity and stalling the belt created a systemic effect on the whole division.

As well HW may be weak out there in terms of leftovers, but I'm not accepting 205 is at the talent limit of scouting that hasn't had a TUF in ages either.
 
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ChaosOverkill

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And if the problem is tertiary and no large athletes thinK MMA is even worth the shot for the pay then that's also up to the UFC to change cause I think that has also had an effect.
And I am in no way saying that you can expand LW and HW at equal rates, but there is a serious issue if they've hit the ceiling of big men.

It is not immune to the problems of boxing if HW is unable to refresh athletes going forward in fact it may be MORE susceptible to them, so something's gotta give.

Those unsavy fans are the ones who pushed UFC 100 to what it was they are the ones driving two stars right now over a million buys each and when things change they are much more likely to stick around for HW fights than smaller fights. All things being equal just like boxing.
 
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