Isn’t the cage a little outdated?

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I like the idea of sloped padded walls as a barrier(Yamma)...but it provides poor visibility for fans

would have to lose the fence and raise the seats/keep fighting surface as low as possible

and make the sloped area wider and taller
You guys are unhappy about a cage because it lets you pin people and want this? Did you watch it?
All that will happen with the slope is fighters are FURTHER pinned in a position that doesn't let effective grappling from the bottom to get back up. Fighters aren't "funneled to the middle" as the yamma creators said it would. They get caught at the flat to slope angle and the guy on the bottom doesn't haven't as much leverage and position to work. At least the bottom guy can walk up the fence to get the fight back off the ground. The slope gives even more advantage to the top guy.
 

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You guys are unhappy about a cage because it lets you pin people and want this? Did you watch it?
All that will happen with the slope is fighters are FURTHER pinned in a position that doesn't let effective grappling from the bottom to get back up. Fighters aren't "funneled to the middle" as the yamma creators said it would. They get caught at the flat to slope angle and the guy on the bottom doesn't haven't as much leverage and position to work. At least the bottom guy can walk up the fence to get the fight back off the ground. The slope gives even more advantage to the top guy.
I'm not unhappy about anything

I did watch it...fun event...ring announcer was amazing

You are absolutely correct a great top game grappler can be even more dominant when they get a guy in the "crease"...I was thinking about that each time I made a post in this thread, but I didn't include that thought in either of my posts.

A good top game is gonna be dominant on any surface and that is fine, and realistic.

People are just brainstorming. Grabbing the cage is so subjectively enforced, it would be nice to not have that be a factor in so many fights. Visibility and Cage grabbing are what are kinda lame...Rings are better IMO.

Do you have any ideas?

How about a Sumo fighting surface? lol...maybe venomous snakes circling the Sumo style fighting surface? Sharks with frigging lasers?
 

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You guys are unhappy about a cage because it lets you pin people and want this? Did you watch it?
All that will happen with the slope is fighters are FURTHER pinned in a position that doesn't let effective grappling from the bottom to get back up. Fighters aren't "funneled to the middle" as the yamma creators said it would. They get caught at the flat to slope angle and the guy on the bottom doesn't haven't as much leverage and position to work. At least the bottom guy can walk up the fence to get the fight back off the ground. The slope gives even more advantage to the top guy.
There was no consensus as to an answer, only a general desire to see two men fight with as little interference as possible.
 

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huh?
care to elaborate
Any problem the cage has others have two of. Ring, yamma, flat open, etc etc.
The cage isn't bad and the only thing that I think I like better is a circle cage so you dont have flat and corners creating two different wall apparatuses.
 

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Any problem the cage has others have two of. Ring, yamma, flat open, etc etc.
The cage isn't bad and the only thing that I think I like better is a circle cage so you dont have flat and corners creating two different wall apparatuses.
fair enough

What are the two problems of a ring? slipping or hiding under the ropes while grappling is one...what is #2?
 

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fair enough

What are the two problems of a ring? slipping or hiding under the ropes while grappling is one...what is #2?
What's the goal?

Minimize apparatus use of the environment? Prevent stop/start? ??? Increase/decrease interaction between fighters?

Rings result in stop/start with wrestlers and this can be used to create stop/start at will. Just push the fight into the 1000 japanese men waiting to push you back into the ring. Get tangled up, have the ref force a reset to the middle, start again. Bought your self space and breathing time.

Rings also allow strikers to cut off opponents into a corner. Entire portions of different professional striking arts are built to fight in the corner, just as MMA wrestlers immediately start working a bottom opponent against the fence.

If you want to favor striking, pick a ring. But be ready for the manipulation above. Favor wrestling? pick a cage or similar. Your strikers lose the ability to easily cut someone off into the corner.


I'm not sure what happens to the pace of a fight with an endless open area. Seems you would be more "pure" but also over 25 minutes have a substantial decrease in interaction and increase in lateral movement. Youd probably end up against walls, even in a stadium area if the seats were anywhere close enough to see the action.
 

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What's the goal?

Minimize apparatus use of the environment? Prevent stop/start? ??? Increase/decrease interaction between fighters?

Rings result in stop/start with wrestlers and this can be used to create stop/start at will. Just push the fight into the 1000 japanese men waiting to push you back into the ring. Get tangled up, have the ref force a reset to the middle, start again. Bought your self space and breathing time.

Rings also allow strikers to cut off opponents into a corner. Entire portions of different professional striking arts are built to fight in the corner, just as MMA wrestlers immediately start working a bottom opponent against the fence.

If you want to favor striking, pick a ring. But be ready for the manipulation above. Favor wrestling? pick a cage or similar. Your strikers lose the ability to easily cut someone off into the corner.


I'm not sure what happens to the pace of a fight with an endless open area. Seems you would be more "pure" but also over 25 minutes have a substantial decrease in interaction and increase in lateral movement. Youd probably end up against walls, even in a stadium area if the seats were anywhere close enough to see the action.
good post
would read again

Open field is pure, but action would decrease.
 

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It doesn't fix anything, but the dream cage is the best looking cage...




Also...
Obviously the solution is a bigger M-1 sword fighting ring