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kneeblock

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I'm suggesting that someone could take a job being paid less than minimum wage because they're an illegal immigrant and then demand full wages. In that case what recourse would an employer have?
Well, and this sounds crazy I know, but they'd to pay them the legally mandated minimum wage.
 

RaginCajun

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Oct 25, 2015
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I'm suggesting that someone could take a job being paid less than minimum wage because they're an illegal immigrant and then demand full wages. In that case what recourse would an employer have?
He could not employ illegal immigrants to start with.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Jul 22, 2015
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Ideally, the rule of law should provide no incentive to be broken.
But it clearly does. If you're going to break the law by hiring an illegal more often than not there has to be an incentive for some onto do that. By giving them worker protections, but taking away the employers leverage all that you're doing is creating a situation where illegal immigrants will also be unemployable.
 

Freeloading Rusty

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Jan 11, 2016
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Trump asked Australian PM to help investigate Russia inquiry
US President Donald Trump called Australian PM Scott Morrison and asked for his help with an investigation into the origins of the Mueller inquiry, Australian officials have confirmed.

Mr Trump asked Mr Morrison to help find evidence to discredit the inquiry, US and Australian media reported.

Australia confirmed the call had taken place and that the PM agreed to help.
Trump impeachment: Lawyer Rudy Giuliani subpoenaed for documents
Democrats have demanded records from the president's personal lawyer, the next step of an effort that could remove Donald Trump from office.

Rudy Giuliani has admitted to asking Ukrainian officials to investigate widely debunked corruption allegations against Democratic rival Joe Biden.

Lawmakers issued a subpoena for those communication records from Mr Giuliani.

The request is part of impeachment proceedings against Mr Trump, spurred by a whistleblower complaint.
 

Freeloading Rusty

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President Trump's Lies Are Finally Called Out in Rare Statement From U.S. Intelligence Community Watchdog
The watchdog for the U.S. Intelligence Community issued a rare statement Monday night in an attempt to correct misinformation currently being spread by the President of the United States. The short version from the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community: The rules for whistleblowers were not recently changed to let secondhand information be deemed credible and urgent. But even if the rules had been changed, the whistleblower had both firsthand and secondhand knowledge.
Trump's false theory that whistleblower requirements changed just before the complaint over his Ukraine call got shut down by the intelligence watchdog
  • The US intelligence community's watchdog rejected a theory floated by President Donald Trump that the whistleblower process was changed just before an explosive complaint about him.
  • The complaint alleged that Trump pressured Ukraine's president to investigate Joe Biden in a phone call. It is largely based on the whistleblower's sources.
  • Trump and his allies argue that the process was only recently changed to allow complaints from people without first-hand information.
  • The Inspector General of the Intelligence Committee said Monday that first-hand information was never been a requirement, and that the current process has existed for more than a year.
 

Daglord

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this was a pretty good watch if anyone interested. I wasn't expecting much & wasn't sure where to drop it.

MBS, Yemen, Khashoggi, US/SA relations, Israel/ Saudi alliance, spyware, Trump, the Ritz-Carlton, al-Qahtani, war on journalists, etc.



One year after the murder of columnist Jamal Khashoggi, FRONTLINE investigates the rise and rule of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman (MBS) of Saudi Arabia. In a never before seen or heard conversation featured in the documentary, the Saudi Crown Prince addresses his role in Khashoggi’s murder exclusively to FRONTLINE correspondent Martin Smith. Smith, who has covered the Middle East for FRONTLINE for 20 years, examines MBS's vision for the future, his handling of dissent, and his relationship with the United States.
 

kneeblock

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But it clearly does. If you're going to break the law by hiring an illegal more often than not there has to be an incentive for some onto do that. By giving them worker protections, but taking away the employers leverage all that you're doing is creating a situation where illegal immigrants will also be unemployable.
My general answer is so bit it, but I think you're reading a little past the legal clarification here. What it does is disallows as workplace or residential discrimination using immigration status to coerce a resident or worker into compliance. An economistic analysis of the situation imagines that suddenly workers will suddenly accept a low wage and then threaten to make their employer catch a case if they don't give them a raise, maybe not just to the minimum, but all the way to double the minimum. After all, why stop at $15 when you can go to $30/hr? But that's like saying suddenly every woman who goes on a few dates with a man is going to threaten a domestic violence case if he leaves her. It's generally not supported by reality on the ground. Simply by traveling from home to work or even being at work, migrants expose themselves to prosecution and deportation, just as the employer exposes themselves to some legal liability by employing workers under illegal working conditions that could include a distortion of wage levels, workplace safety, governmental authorization, or discrimination. In this case, the workers and owners are in a kind of prisoner's dilemma where reporting the management means many people would lose their jobs, which means it would likely only emerge in a workplace based complaint after the fact. Housing is a completely different story as there are no laws preventing renting to people regardless of status. Adding in protections for people who might lose their homes due to being forced out prior to a lease being up or having repairs withheld due to threats to disclose immigration status violates the spirit and letter of contracts. This is a fairly miniscule vehicle that should discourage that practice, which i can personally attest is widespread in New York.