General Here we go again - wtf m8's. Cop comes to woman's house, kills her.

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BeardOfKnowledge

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Snooping around someone's residence for a welfare check? A welfare check usually consists of knocking on the door and yelling "Police here. Everyone OK in there?" Not snooping around the yard with a flashlight and shooting the first thing you see move inside the house.

That's about as bad as it gets.
As I said earlier in the thread. The procedure leading up to the shooting was bush league, but if you walk up to a window and someone points a gun at you you're probably going to shoot at then if you have the opportunity. Now, is that what happened? I don't know and I can't tell from the video what the officer saw or is going to claim he saw. But people in this thread are comparing the body cam to being a first person shooter video game.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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"Piled on" ??
Lol I said I didn't think it was justified when the question was raised directly to me. Was that really so strongly worded? I hardly "piled on".
If you want to argue semantics feel free, but the point remains.
 

Hauler

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As I said earlier in the thread. The procedure leading up to the shooting was bush league, but if you walk up to a window and someone points a gun at you you're probably going to shoot at then if you have the opportunity. Now, is that what happened? I don't know and I can't tell from the video what the officer saw or is going to claim he saw. But people in this thread are comparing the body cam to being a first person shooter video game.
I don't think it matters what he saw or thought he saw. The incident was 100% caused by his actions and someone is dead because of it.

The other people on the call should also be disciplined. I guarantee that isn't the department's protocol for a simple wellness check.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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I don't think it matters what he saw or thought he saw. The incident was 100% caused by his actions and someone is dead because of it.

The other people on the call should also be disciplined. I guarantee that isn't the department's protocol for a simple wellness check.
I don't disagree, but there are levels of intent and if he had a gun pointed at him that makes a big difference in how this all is going to proceed in a court.
 

Filthy

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As I said earlier in the thread. The procedure leading up to the shooting was bush league, but if you walk up to a window and someone points a gun at you you're probably going to shoot at then if you have the opportunity. Now, is that what happened? I don't know and I can't tell from the video what the officer saw or is going to claim he saw. But people in this thread are comparing the body cam to being a first person shooter video game.
If there was any evidence of her pointing a gun at him, we'd know by now. And he wouldn't be charged with Murder
 

Filthy

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Reasonable doubt doesn't require evidence.



Because a prosecutor has never over charged a cop before because they wanted to make an example of them for the public...
Reasonable doubt, by virtue of being based in reason, requires evidence.

And I'd say it's more common for DAs to under-charge or passively prosecute LEs than average citizens.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Reasonable doubt, by virtue of being based in reason, requires evidence.
You know OJ got off, right?

And I'd say it's more common for DAs to under-charge or passively prosecute LEs than average citizens.
If they were under-charging them they wouldn't consistently beat charges. Passively prosecuting is a different story.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Really? Qualified Immunity raises the bar for prosecution, and the State is eating its own... Don't see the incentive to aggressively prosecute
If you walk a beat, the State doesn't consider you to be "one of their own" unless it benefits them.
 

KWingJitsu

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"Piled on" ??
Lol I said I didn't think it was justified when the question was raised directly to me. Was that really so strongly worded? I hardly "piled on".
Just wanted to say rereading this thread made me realize that comparatively, you do have the patience of a saint.




No homo.
 

Filthy

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The Woman Killed By A Fort Worth Cop In Her Home Had Pointed A Gun Out The Window, Her Nephew Said

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/salvadorhernandez/atatiana-jefferson-fort-worth-window-gun
i was wrong, BeardOfKnowledge @JonJonesBeard

If there was any evidence of her pointing a gun at him, we'd know by now. And he wouldn't be charged with Murder
guess we had to wait a day or two. :)

but the murder charge is still appropriate. If she was unarmed, I'd say it was Capital Murder
 

Splinty

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but the murder charge is still appropriate. If she was unarmed, I'd say it was Capital Murder

Capital murder is intentionally reserved for egregious cases, not just killing someone. If you continue to escalate every murder to Capital murder because of the emotions involved and not the intent of the perpetrator then you will increase the likelihood of bad behaviors. This is one reason why we don't have death penalty for rape for instance.

This cop is a moron and should absolutely go to jail. He should be charged with murder.
The death penalty should not be on the table for him. Nor can I justify a life sentence without parole. With that I can't see charging him with capital murder, which would bring those two options on the table.

He obviously didn't go there to kill homeowner. He did however do everything wrong and intend to kill the person that he was shooting. With that he meets the definition of murder in Texas.
 

Filthy

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Capital murder is intentionally reserved for egregious cases, not just killing someone. If you continue to escalate every murder to Capital murder because of the emotions involved and not the intent of the perpetrator then you will increase the likelihood of bad behaviors. This is one reason why we don't have death penalty for rape for instance.

This cop is a moron and should absolutely go to jail. He should be charged with murder.
The death penalty should not be on the table for him. Nor can I justify a life sentence without parole. With that I can't see charging him with capital murder, which would bring those two options on the table.

He obviously didn't go there to kill homeowner. He did however do everything wrong and intend to kill the person that he was shooting. With that he meets the definition of murder in Texas.
i think that the fact that he was extensively trained, and a state actor, make the murder egregious. It's not an emotional thing. I don't believe in the death penalty, i think it's immoral and expensive. I just think when a police officer kills someone in their home out of professional incompetence, they should be held to the highest standard of the law.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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i think that the fact that he was extensively trained, and a state actor, make the murder egregious. It's not an emotional thing. I don't believe in the death penalty, i think it's immoral and expensive. I just think when a police officer kills someone in their home out of professional incompetence, they should be held to the highest standard of the law.
Wait, you think police officers are extensively trained?
 

Filthy

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Wait, you think police officers are extensively trained?
no, i think they're under-trained.

but their 'extensive training' is what gives their testimony weight in court. So if it fits on that side of the scales of justice, it fits on the other.