General Brexit minister resigns, Theresa May could be next.

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Leigh

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I'm gonna laugh so hard when Boris's deal gets rejected by the Commons
We already know it will. So then he has to ask for an extension, which he said he'd rather die in a ditch than do.

But if someone vetoes the extension request, we crash out with no deal.
 
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We already know it will. So then he has to ask for an extension, which he said he'd rather die in a ditch than do.

But if someone vetoes the extension request, we crash out with no deal.
I hope he calls for another election and gets that rejected as well.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Jul 22, 2015
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Why are you against the will of the people?
That's what I find interesting. Elected officials telling the public they can't decide what they want.

Of course you're in a province with an unelected government and I don't exactly like what I'm seeing out of our federal election.
 

jason73

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That's what I find interesting. Elected officials telling the public they can't decide what they want.

Of course you're in a province with an unelected government and I don't exactly like what I'm seeing out of our federal election.
cbc and ctv are laying the groundwork right now for trudeau to stay in power if scheer wins a minority even without a coalition
 
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Why are you against the will of the people?
Because the people shouldn't ever have been given a vote on an issue 90% of them don't fully understand.

The UK, like the US and Canada, is a representative democracy, not a direct democracy.
 

jason73

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Because the people shouldn't ever have been given a vote on an issue 90% of them don't fully understand.

The UK, like the US and Canada, is a representative democracy, not a direct democracy.
that doesnt change the fact that a vote was taken and they are trying to reverse the result .that is not how democracy is supposed to work. the people have spoken
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Because the people shouldn't ever have been given a vote on an issue 90% of them don't fully understand.

The UK, like the US and Canada, is a representative democracy, not a direct democracy.
Doesn't it cease being a "representative democracy" when the representatives only protect their own interests?
 
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Doesn't it cease being a "representative democracy" when the representatives only protect their own interests?
No. It continues to be a representative democracy when the representatives who do what you claim gain seats in Parliament, like they did in the last election
 

Leigh

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That's what I find interesting. Elected officials telling the public they can't decide what they want.
that doesnt change the fact that a vote was taken and they are trying to reverse the result .that is not how democracy is supposed to work. the people have spoken
That's not really what's happening, although I can see why it seems like that.

Brexit is unquestionably bad for the country. That can't really be denied at this point. Parliament is trying to deliver on it but they are putting measures in place to ensure its not a complete clusterfuck and unfortunately the only Brexit available IS a clusterfuck, so it's causing an impasse.

Leaving without a deal would be absolutely crazy; the Irish border would become a hard border, which would contravene the Good Friday Agreement. Over half of our overseas trade is with the EU or countries we have trade agreements with through the EU. We'll become poorer overnight and unemployment will increase if we lose that. Look at the farmer issue with Trump's trade war with China and consider China only accounts for 8.4% of US exports.

So our parliament have put legislation in place saying that we have to do everything we can to avoid leaving without a trade deal, which seems sensible. It also wouldn't be democratic, as although 52% of the vote was for leaving the EU, many people voted that way expecting a Norway or Switzerland type deal, where we remain part of the European Economic Area (EEA). Only a small proportion of people want to leave without a deal.

So the next step is to get a deal agreed but of course the only deal available is a shit one because the EU won't give us something better than actual membership. So parliament rejected Theresa May's awful deal and will reject Boris's deal too, which effectively puts a trade border up the Irish Sea.

The whole process has been handled terribly, it's not really fair to blame parliament for trying to mitigate the issues. If a reasonable deal was agreed, I think most people would accept Brexit.
 

Brigsy

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I think it's going to pass today. (If they vote on it) I think some right wing headbangers still think they can get no deal down the road if a trade deal isn't signed off before the end of the transition period? Some amendments are being proposed first though, although I'm not across the details of what Letwin is amending.

Hmmm, seems the Letwin amendment is to prevent the headbangers getting no deal again, circumnavigating the Benn Act.
 

Sheepdog

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Because the people shouldn't ever have been given a vote on an issue 90% of them don't fully understand.

The UK, like the US and Canada, is a representative democracy, not a direct democracy.
I don't think referendums are inherently wrong for major questions. Particularly with the level of corruption and bipartisan groupthink that allows parties to form a consensus on certain issues that the public actually fundamentally opposes (i.e endless wars), it's good to have direct democracy for major issues sometimes.

But they've done it backwards. The exact terms and conditions of Brexit needed to be established and agreed to with the EU before the Brexit referendum could've occurred, so that people actually knew what they were voting on.