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otaku1

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You always sound like you're disagreeing with me! That's OK but I'm curious as to your stance... do you think WWI was a just war? Do you think the rhetoric of the vets sacrificing and serving their country (Canada in this instance) 'so we can be free' is even remotely accurate?

Really I am more concerned with the gap between the reality of war and the sentiment of modern Remembrance Day rhetoric. Here we always honor the fallen, and reflect on the horrors of war - which is all fine and good - but they NEVER EVER examine the REASONS for the wars, nor ever give the slightest hint that maybe the wars were unjust in the first place. The unconscious sentiment is always that they were legit wars that had to be fought, and of course we were on the side of the 'Good Guys'. This is what I have a problem with. This is what imo allows the perpetual war machine to keep rolling. They skew the propaganda from war to war, but yes I do see great similarities in this regard for all modern wars. That's why I mention it in the same breath. In fact, I think that most wars since WWI have actually been concocted basically by the same groups.

Here in Canada, the sentiment for WWI propaganda seemed mostly to be about GUILT. I bet there was a huge effort to make men feel like they should be ashamed if they did not go, as if 'Real Men' would and should all go. If you choose to stay and take care of your wife and kids and farm you should be ashamed. Honestly, I bet most soldiers didn't have a fuckin clue what the war was even about... they just went because of foggy manufactured social pressures.

Do you really think a single average Canadian was presented with any facts about what the war was about, or how it affected Canada? Do you think it was in the interest of the war machine to have the population educated on the issue?

Here is a SMALL sampling of WWI posters of the day. I have a huge interest in war propaganda artwork, have studied several wars from this perspective, and ALWAYS find them to be absolutely ridiculous.

(I dare not even open the vault of US propaganda lol)


Questioning men's masculinity/honor:





















lol - if you don't leave your family to go get slaughtered in Europe you will be caught with your pants down:



As if it was a fucking Hockey game:






I wonder sometimes if the line in our National Anthem 'We Stand On Guard For Thee' was a result of some sort of war propaganda:





And if you couldn't actually leave your wife and kids to go slaughter other human beings for god knows why, they guilted people into giving over their MONEY. Who knows what kind of corruption went on here? Where that money actually went?









LOLOLOL:



How much was being taken advantage of ECONOMICALLY via war-guilt? How many industries might have been shifted around, competition eliminated, monopolizations seized, etc etc as a result of using war sentiment to change people's buying patterns?
It would make a very interesting study imo
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Lay off the bong
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As a professional illustrator, I’m amazed how crappy most of those posters are. Would love to learn the process of how they actually came to be, who was in charge and if the illustrator had any input at all.
 
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^^. Both those posters are artistically superior to most of the real propaganda I posted earlier lol

makes me wonder how much Indy anti-war stuff might have been created in the day...

how much dissent to the propaganda might there have been during WWI in Canada? How many artists may have actually used their skills in the same way to contradict the rhetoric or hopefully stop people from enlisting? Would make and interesting study imo
 

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I look at, and explain to my kids, that remembrance day as a time where everyone should respect the men and women who fought so we could say what we believed without repercussion. Unfortunately, we have given away what those brave men and women fought for and that is not the case in Canada today.
 
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I look at, and explain to my kids, that remembrance day as a time where everyone should respect the men and women who fought so we could say what we believed without repercussion. Unfortunately, we have given away what those brave men and women fought for and that is not the case in Canada today.
Yeah see - you are implying that if those men and women hadn't gone overseas to fight, that we'd all somehow be living in some sort of crazy gestapo censorship world. How does that add up? How exactly is this conclusion drawn by everyone? In Canada this is just status quo, we keep repeating things like that but I don't understand how that conclusion is drawn. How does going half way around the world to fuck up Germans or Koreans etc = freedom of speech in Canada?
Certainly kids don't have the capacity to question it, so they go along because dad said so, and thus the propaganda sinks in.

The irony is that we are starting to get there even though we won :D
 
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BeardOfKnowledge

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There was a lengthy interview I remember with an author of a book called 'The Vilification of Germany', but i can't seem to find any links at the moment. Was super interesting, how much concentrated effort was made in both wars to get as many people as possible to hate Germany. Not just hate like the word is used today, I mean really HATE, dehumanize, see them as beasts.
Yeah, I mean who doesn't like a good old fashioned holocaust, amirite?
 

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Yeah see - you are implying that if those men and women hadn't gone overseas to fight, that we'd all somehow be living in some sort of crazy gestapo censorship world. How does that add up? How exactly is this conclusion drawn by everyone? In Canada this is just status quo, we keep repeating things like that but I don't understand how that conclusion is drawn. How does going half way around the world to fuck up Germans or Koreans etc = freedom of speech in Canada?
Certainly kids don't have the capacity to question it, so they go along because dad said so, and thus the propaganda sinks in.

The irony is that we are starting to get there even though we won :D
There are these things called "history books". You should consider reading some of them at some point.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Ad hominem is pretty cheap.
Even a passing glance at the geo-political situation of the late 18 and early 1900's would answer these questions he claims not to know the answers to, and that information isn't hard to find. He's deliberately taking an "edgy" stance on a subject he obviously hasn't spent very much time (if any) looking into.

It's not an ad hominem, if it's true.
 

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Even a passing glance at the geo-political situation of the late 18 and early 1900's would answer these questions he claims not to know the answers to, and that information isn't hard to find. He's deliberately taking an "edgy" stance on a subject he obviously hasn't spent very much time (if any) looking into.

It's not an ad hominem, if it's true.
Why do you hate Germans?
 
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Even a passing glance at the geo-political situation of the late 18 and early 1900's would answer these questions he claims not to know the answers to, and that information isn't hard to find. He's deliberately taking an "edgy" stance on a subject he obviously hasn't spent very much time (if any) looking into.

It's not an ad hominem, if it's true.
But it's not true. I am an amateur historian at best for sure, far from any scholarly levels but I've spent almost 20 years looking into 20th century history, specifically the roots of the wars of our era. I listen while working, I've logged literally thousands of hours of docs and interviews and presentations from many many sources on all different perspectives.

Also not true I'm just trying to be 'edgy' here, I'm genuinely passionate about this issue and am bothered a lot as a result every Remembrance Day

Are you seriously suggesting that answers to how Canada would have become a gestapo nation without free speech had they not participated in most wars is something that 'isn't hard to find'? Please direct me to some sources.

@conor mcgregor nut hugger 's ad hominem of me being a bong ripper is closer to the truth :D

I'll take criticism and debate where its true no problem, but your post is not a fair dig


But seriously, if you are up on 'the geo-political situation of the late 18 and early 1900's' I would love your input. thx
(PS: this thread is about Canada
 
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Onetrickpony

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Yeah see - you are implying that if those men and women hadn't gone overseas to fight, that we'd all somehow be living in some sort of crazy gestapo censorship world. How does that add up? How exactly is this conclusion drawn by everyone? In Canada this is just status quo, we keep repeating things like that but I don't understand how that conclusion is drawn. How does going half way around the world to fuck up Germans or Koreans etc = freedom of speech in Canada?
Certainly kids don't have the capacity to question it, so they go along because dad said so, and thus the propaganda sinks in.

The irony is that we are starting to get there even though we won :D
What I’m implying, is that no matter the outcome, the men and women who were willing to give their lives for what they believed in, deserve respect for their sacrifice. My children will understand what it means to be willing to give your life for something you believe in. And they will know why they should honour those who did so for what they believed in.

If you want to tell your children a different version of history, that’s your prerogative.

Right or wrong, my kids will know what their relatives thought they were fighting for.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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But seriously, if you are up on 'the geo-political situation of the late 18 and early 1900's' I would love your input
Here's the short version. Canada was beholden to the U.K. The U.K. had all of the money, if the U.K. toppled, so did the commonwealth members. When the U.K. needed to get invovled, then so did Canada, and Australia. Because the last war between great powers was 100 years prior no one knew what they were getting into until it was too late. "Home by Christmas" and all that jazz. That's also ignoring that half way through the war we discovered the importance of this neat thing called "oil".

all of them?
I don't really know what this means, but his father was pressed into service his siblings and pregnant mother were forced to live in a barn with some of the other villagers.
 
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There are these things called "history books". You should consider reading some of them at some point.
Yeah but the mainstream media/governments wrote those books.

Don't you know that the only information you can trust is unverifiable info written by lunatics on online message boards?