General Is veganism a more moral stance?

Welcome to our Community
Wanting to join the rest of our members? Feel free to Sign Up today.
Sign up

Toelocku

*I Know What I Know if you Know What I Mean*
Dec 15, 2018
5,694
4,969
That's still not accurate. A lone person could live off the flesh of a single animal over the course of a year.
You're right...i said less killing is generally better so if one person wants to eat just meat and less beings are killed that would be more moral
 

Rambo John J

Eats things that would make a Billy Goat Puke
First 100
Jan 17, 2015
71,541
71,465
I'm working with .27 acres here
thinking of a pygmy goat to go with my 2 chickens

rest is strictly veggie/fruit farming
 

Rambo John J

Eats things that would make a Billy Goat Puke
First 100
Jan 17, 2015
71,541
71,465
That's still not accurate. A lone person could live off the flesh of a single animal over the course of a year.
Gonna try for an Elk next year...northwestern Oregon Unit 14
I know some great spots and finally found a good hunting buddy(he moved back to oregon)

won't last the whole year but will feed 2 for a few months

will post pics if successful
 

BeardOfKnowledge

The Most Consistent Motherfucker You Know
Jul 22, 2015
60,547
56,268
Gonna try for an Elk next year...northwestern Oregon Unit 14
I know some great spots and finally found a good hunting buddy(he moved back to oregon)

won't last the whole year but will feed 2 for a few months

will post pics if successful
I'm pulling for you.
 

Rambo John J

Eats things that would make a Billy Goat Puke
First 100
Jan 17, 2015
71,541
71,465
I'm pulling for you.
I think it could be good
no centerfire though in that spot...might go elsewhere

Oregon has a lot of Elk if you have the time...population is large...State is actually trying to take down the numbers in a bunch of counties buy opening new seasons to shoot younger animals

I enjoy Vegan food with my Meat...Vegetables are amazing
 

Filthy

Iowa Wrestling Champion
Jun 28, 2016
27,507
29,834
I'm working with .27 acres here
thinking of a pygmy goat to go with my 2 chickens

rest is strictly veggie/fruit farming
what percentage of your food comes from quarter acre?
are you doing edible landscaping? I had a friend in OR who was really in to it...took awhile to get it going, but it produces when it's in season.
 

Shinkicker

For what it's worth
Jan 30, 2016
10,307
13,908
Plants 'Scream' in the Face of Stress | Live Science



Plants 'Scream' in the Face of Stress



The team, led by Itzhak Khait, examined the sounds emitted by tomato and tobacco plants when stressed by insufficient water or when their stems are cut. Microphones recorded ultrasonic sounds between 20 and 100 kilohertz emitted by the plants in both cases, the study found.

The sounds emitted by the stressed plants are at frequencies unable to be heard by humans, however the team of scientists believes “some organisms” can hear the sounds from up to several meters away.

A tomato plant emitted 25 ultrasonic distress sounds in the space of an hour when its stem was cut, according to the study. In contrast, tobacco plants emitted 15 distress sounds when their stems were cut.

When deprived of water, the tomato plants sent out 35 ultrasonic sounds in the course of an hour, while 11 were emitted by the tobacco plants. The team observed that the sounds released when the plants were deprived of water were louder compared to the ones when having their stems cut.

Plants Emit Ultrasonic ‘Screams’ When Stressed: Study
 

Filthy

Iowa Wrestling Champion
Jun 28, 2016
27,507
29,834
Plants 'Scream' in the Face of Stress | Live Science



Plants 'Scream' in the Face of Stress



The team, led by Itzhak Khait, examined the sounds emitted by tomato and tobacco plants when stressed by insufficient water or when their stems are cut. Microphones recorded ultrasonic sounds between 20 and 100 kilohertz emitted by the plants in both cases, the study found.

The sounds emitted by the stressed plants are at frequencies unable to be heard by humans, however the team of scientists believes “some organisms” can hear the sounds from up to several meters away.

A tomato plant emitted 25 ultrasonic distress sounds in the space of an hour when its stem was cut, according to the study. In contrast, tobacco plants emitted 15 distress sounds when their stems were cut.

When deprived of water, the tomato plants sent out 35 ultrasonic sounds in the course of an hour, while 11 were emitted by the tobacco plants. The team observed that the sounds released when the plants were deprived of water were louder compared to the ones when having their stems cut.

Plants Emit Ultrasonic ‘Screams’ When Stressed: Study
i hear the screams of the vegetables...

 

Rambo John J

Eats things that would make a Billy Goat Puke
First 100
Jan 17, 2015
71,541
71,465
what percentage of your food comes from quarter acre?
are you doing edible landscaping? I had a friend in OR who was really in to it...took awhile to get it going, but it produces when it's in season.
80% in summer and fall
Like 20% in winter, we can a lot of food late summer/fall

I buy the meat tho...chickens only are for eggs
 

kneeblock

Drapetomaniac
Apr 18, 2015
12,435
23,026
I don't think veganism is more moral. It's an individualist approach to a more complex social problem. Big Agra gets massive subsidies to genetically engineer animals to monstrous sizes then they're kept in awful conditions until they're put out of their misery, which on the face of it sucks. These days it's technologically possible to live a completely meatless life, but it's also possible to regulate agriculture and food processing so some of its practices become less awful by tying treatment policies to the massive government subsidies the industries already receives. If ethical treatment was better subsidized, it could be normalized and expanded and costs could go down.

Just opting out without also fighting for this type of reform seems like peak neoliberal feel good about it while not really doing anything substantial about it.