Sonnen: I believe Cowboy Cerrone upsets Conor McGregor
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Lots of Conor hating going on in this thread. I am a fanboy so I'm totally partial, but for those who aren't fans of his, would you rather have him in the UFC or not? I mean for fans of MMA I have to imagine you appreciate what his popularity has done for the sport. For those who appreciate a good story, he went from nothing to top of the world. For those who appreciate technique, there is no arguing his skills. Is this more just hating his persona and antics or would you prefer he retires and disappears?
Screen name bet that if Conor wins the fight by KO/TKO that it's with his arms?
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Cerrone career stats:
- SLpM: 4.34
- Str. Acc.: 46%
- SApM: 4.23
- Str. Def: 53%
- SLpM: 5.27
- Str. Acc.: 48%
- SApM: 4.43
- Str. Def: 55%
You're aware striking has multiple components to it, yes?
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Conor's KO rate is 72%
Cowboy's is less than 20%
This is not a debatable point of argument, m8
You can’t count Mendes in Conor’s KO rate, he didn’t have a full camp.
and how many of those KO's are via a method other than straight up throwing hands?
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Remember when I specificed that he was a better boxer, but not a striker? Yeah, that.
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Rational people use facts and data to draw conclusions rather than subjective definitions
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Where McGregor’s nowhere near average is distance fighting. He throws head jabs at a lower rate than Cerrone (per five minutes in the position, P5M), yet lands just as much as Cowboy (4.9 head jabs landed P5M) due to his superior accuracy. And when it comes to power strikes, McGregor has volume, accuracy, and stopping force in his favor.
At distance, McGregor tends to throw around 50% more power volume than Cerrone with 62.1 power attempts P5M to Cowboy’s 39.5. While both fighters mix in body and leg strikes well, most of McGregor’s power advantage comes from bombs to the head where he throws 50.3 attempts to Cerrone’s 29.4 and lands at 51% to 34%.
When factoring opponent striking and the defensive end, McGregor’s power strike differential at distance comes in at a still-significant +15.0, even after the Khabib fight, while Cerrone is slightly positive over his lifetime but -4.4 in the alternative stats world. Part of the reason is that Cerrone’s head power defense seems to have suffered lately, a stat which might not bode well against a sniper of McGregor’s caliber. Over his lifetime, Cerrone’s absorbed 33% of power strikes to his skull. In alternative stats, it’s even higher at 43%.
The data shows unequivocally that Conor boxes rather than using all facets of striking the way Cerrone does, or are you basing your opinion off of that time Conor threw a leg kick at Nate Diaz?
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Do you want me to go into who's been knocked out/knocked down more, or will that still not appease your subjective definition of superior striking?
Did you see the McGregor vs Mendes fight?
Again, you're using statistics that allow focus on a single aspect of striking and then pretending they paint a complete picture.
A couple times actually.
He landed 25 kicks to the body in less than two rounds. Why use your example of "threw a leg kick at Nate Diaz" when the Mendes fight clearly shows Conor's kicking game effectiveness?
I was using hyperbole to demonstrate that Conor isn't known for throwing strikes with his lower body. Out of curiosity, how did those 25 kicks breakdown between the 2 rounds?
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I'm looking at effectiveness. Conor has proven to be more effective with his striking, both on offense and on defense.
Therefore, he is a better striker.