UFC 246 Live Discussion - 1/18/20

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Rambo John J

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He really is a different level on the deck, how old is he 44?

He was gassed hard and still dominated, my favourite fight on that card.
I don't know how old but he has forgotten more grappling than most fighters have learned

So many tricks
 

Rambo John J

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Good reactions from Conor there, bonus bit of luck with Cowboy running into his knee.
agree

Cowboy literally doesn't make any moves once he comes up from knee and agreeingly grabs a lil clinch with Conor

Conor senses a guy not doing a damn thing at all, and decides to shoulder strike him while holding hands/arms
 

BenAskrensStrikingcoach

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agree

Cowboy literally doesn't make any moves once he comes up from knee and agreeingly grabs a lil clinch with Conor

Conor senses a guy not doing a damn thing at all, and decides to shoulder strike him while holding hands/arms
Conor had a hard overhook on his left side, hes sneaky with those shoulders, fakes fighting for the underhook at first, uses Cowboys own pressure to move him into them a bit harder, springs right up into them as well.

Clever.
 

Rambo John J

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Conor had a hard overhook on his left side, hes sneaky with those shoulders, fakes fighting for the underhook at first, uses Cowboys own pressure to move him into them a bit harder, springs right up into them as well.

Clever.
yep he was tactical and perfect
donald doesn't even move his hands or change anything the entire clinch either...I think he was surprisingly rocked by that knee and just kinda standing there wondering wtf happened
 
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Did anyone else think maybe Conor was trying to break Masvidal's fastest KO record? Bait with a punch then try to connect with the knee? Maybe he just missed the knee
 

Andrewsimar Palhardass

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Again, WMMA or not - which anyone subjected to my drunken internet rantings will attest, I'm not a fan of - Rousey and Bethe were both undefeated fighters and they were fighting for a title. Conor and Cowboy are just two guys coming off consecutive losses fighting for nothing.

And while we will never find out, I can almost guarantee that Rousey-Bethe got more PPV buys than Conor-Cowboy will (and if you think that's far-fetched, you don't understand what the ESPN deal has done to the PPV market).

Objectively, Rousey-Bethe was a more meaningful fight and also probably more worthy of headlining a PPV if we are talking pure business (but we can't know that, so it serves neither argument.).

View: https://twitter.com/MMAFighting/status/1225132014879281154?s=20
 

Sheepdog

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I've already eaten my hat on the fact that it would be failure of a PPV and actually did so before the event even took place, because I saw how the numbers were trending. But 'about a million' is not much higher than the 900,000 PPV buys Rousey-Bethe did, if it even is at all (it was just a vague figure given by Iger after all and these things often get exaggerated).

And those numbers actually show in general how right I am about the impact of the ESPN deal. As the article states, the usual metrics were trending close to Khabib-Conor and instead it did less than half of those buys. We've now got our second indication that the ESPN deal is dramatically reducing PPV buys.
 

Andrewsimar Palhardass

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I've already eaten my hat on the fact that it would be failure of a PPV and actually did so before the event even took place, because I saw how the numbers were trending. But 'about a million' is not much higher than the 900,000 PPV buys Rousey-Bethe did, if it even is at all (it was just a vague figure given by Iger after all and these things often get exaggerated).

And those numbers actually show in general how right I am about the impact of the ESPN deal. As the article states, the usual metrics were trending close to Khabib-Conor and instead it did less than half of those buys. We've now got our second indication that the ESPN deal is dramatically reducing PPV buys.
So with the handicap of the ESPN deal putting the PPV behind a paywall, the people were still as willing, or more willing, to buy this PPV.
 

Sheepdog

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So with the handicap of the ESPN deal putting the PPV behind a paywall, the people were still as willing, or more willing, to buy this PPV.
Reading comprehension, mete. You're trying to get me to concede a point I'd already conceded before the fight even happened. I was very, very wrong about how many people wanted to watch it.

However, I was very, very right that the ESPN deal has massively dampened PPV buyrates - to the extent that I was only slightly off on it doing less buys than Rousey-Bethe, even though I should have been way off based on other metrics.
 

Andrewsimar Palhardass

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Reading comprehension, mete. You're trying to get me to concede a point I'd already conceded before the fight even happened. I was very, very wrong about how many people wanted to watch it.

However, I was very, very right that the ESPN deal has massively dampened PPV buyrates - to the extent that I was only slightly off on it doing less buys than Rousey-Bethe, even though I should have been way off based on other metrics.
I didn't argue the ESPN deal's effect, for the record, so I am not sure why you're questioning my reading comprehension.